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Hi! New here and giving this a shot. Last year I submitted this 1876-CC T$ in NGC plastic to PCGS as a crossover submission. NGC gives T$s Details grades whenever they see a chop, and this coin's got two nice original Chinese chops on the reverse and a test mark on the obverse, so the NGC slab says UNC Details chopmarked. I was hoping to cross it to PCGS to get it a straight numeric grade and join the scarce ranks of MS 76-CC's with chops (PCGS has slabbed only 6 in MS60+). I guess I was overly optimistic because PCGS gave it a DNC. In filling out the form, I had checked "do not holder Details" figuring if they found other problems, I'd rather not know (did I just answer my own question?), and "60" as the minimum grade.   These are NGC's certification photos. While the test mark on the obverse clearly stands out as looking like potential non-chop mark damage (in the conventional sense), I see PCGS holders all the time with T$s containing drill marks and test cuts among other chops. So, I had ruled that out as being the flaw. Thoughts/reactions? If not the test mark, is it potentially a borderline AU? Would it be common for NGC to give it UNC and PCGS to decide they see wear (certainly plenty of hairlines in the fields)? Note: I re-submitted it over a month ago so I'll revert back when I get the second PCGS opinion :-) Thanks! Edited by ntwdc
01/09/2023 3:24 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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NGC may have listed only "chopmarks" when there were additional unlisted Details. Since PCGS doesn't Detail chopmarks, the other issue(s) arose, perhaps cleaning. In other words, PCGS didn't uncover an issue that NGC missed - NGC just didn't note it on the slab. Just a hunch.
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Pillar of the Community
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Right decision for crossing over to PCGS with chopmarks Trade dollar, not sure about what this grade? A lot of scuff marks on the coin may hold this one back to AU grade. Edit: Should of read the title, but if you request a minimum MS60 grade for it to be holder, then this maybe the problem with not reaching the minimum grade. Edited by macmercury
01/09/2023 4:22 pm
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I would call PCGS and see if they can provide any other details about why it did not cross (did it not make MS, was it cleaned, test mark, etc.). It is possible too that it was just a clerical error due to the unusual nature of this kind of crossover.
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I agree with kbbpll comments. The coin looks like it could have hairlines from a cleaning. PCGS holds the NCG coins to a high standard and NGC examples are not easy to cross into PCGS plastic at same grade. On your example you are asking PCGS to cross it at a higher grade.
Good luck on your recent submission to PCGS.
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Great points. I really wish the DNC had been accompanied with a reason. But alas! Will hope by end of February attempt #2 will be on its way back and I'll post the result here for any other Trade dollar fans. I also have four other chopmarked trades in the submission for a total of 3 NGC and 2 ANACS trying, trying, trying to cross for my set. |
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I'm betting whatever occurred at K2 obv was the reason along with a million scratches leading me to an AU details (damaged) coin. I'm not sure i'd call that a test chop due to its location. who knows.
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To me this looks to have a lot of hairlines . Trade dollars get a pass or lenient grading on these . I think though it's AU-58 for a numeric grade. I think if you noted 55 as a minimum you may get it back as Au-58 straight graded |
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 to the CCF Great discussion - hope it helped you. |
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Yes thanks for these responses! Learning tons. My resubmission in December didn't put anything for minimum grade so will be curious to see if indeed it's the hairlines that held it back the first time if it straight grades this time (would love a 58!), or if it DNCs again meaning it's gotta be that 2 o'clock punch.
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The punch mark (or whatever it is) and the hairlines are both significant problems. Either one alone should have been enough to preclude a straight grade. I think I would have left it in the NGC holder.
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My guess is PCGS thought is was improperly cleaned.
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Had another chopmarked trade receive the DNC notice this morning... minimum grade I had selected was AU-50 for the unsuccessful crossover. so far I'm 0 for 3 for crossing these to PCGS when on all three holders NGC hasn't noted any cleaning, damage, or other problems but PCGS seems to be finding issues (or just disagreeing broadly on grading, which I have learned may definitely be the case for the 76-CC). But how is this not minimum AU?   Theories for this coin? Should I crack it out? I'm trying to learn at this point but without any PCGS feedback on why they're not crossing, makes it tough! Thanks all. Edited by ntwdc
01/25/2023 09:27 am
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You are still asking for an upgrade from AU Details to AU 50. I recently purchased a NGC 1876 S Trade dollar that graded chop mark details, when I got the coin in hand it was obviously cleaned, but NGC did not note the cleaning on the label. When you send in a NGC chop mark details to PCGS, you are asking PCGS to sort out the coin's problems through plastic. |
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Thanks Slider- I definitely took this for granted. To me the "upgrade" should have been a gimme since NGC relegates chop marks to the Details grades while PCGS does not. So absent any other defects noted by NGC (NGC holders also regularly note "Details Chopmarked, Cleaned" or "Details Chopmarked, Environmental Damage") it seemed to me that an NGC Details Chopmarked coin ought to cross without much fuss.
The adage buy the coin not the holder is ringing in my ears...
Appreciate the community's feedback. I'm learning a lot.
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01/25/2023 12:24 pm
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