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Do Worn Coins Have Less Melt Value?

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 Posted 01/11/2023  12:31 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add kennedy759 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
since some of the silver is worn away, is the melt value less?
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No. Silver and gold will sell for what they weight if anyone is selling them for melt value.
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There are instances with very worn coins that a dealer will weigh the coins instead of giving you X per coin, its not often but culls often fall into that instance. So Yes you can get less value for a very worn coin than for a circulated example. Example a silver dime the dealer may buy them for $1.95 each, but a cull may only have $1.75 in value, so you may get less.
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I would think it all about weight
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I have seen dealers do it both ways - strictly on face value and some based on weight. Usually it will be whatever is in their favor from my experience with local dealers here. Funny thing is the worn coins bought based on weight are often mixed in with the regular coins being sold based on face value.
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Scrap metal merchants pay for weight, not face value. So somebody eventually has to pay less for worn coins. Whether that's you or not, is between you and the person you're selling them to.
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If they're less than MS, my LCS only buys on a net weight basis.
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Good answers. Yes the melt value is less if silver is worn away because the weight would be less and so pricing SHOULD BE calculated by weight. However as mentioned some middlemen may simply not use weight for their pricing and only use things like face value (think junk silver) to set their buy/sell pricing.

In history as an example of why weight is important, beyond the loss due to normal wear, silver coins were sometimes shaved, clipped, or otherwise purposely debased by criminal elements in society. The practice of scraping precious metal from the face and reverse of coins was called shaving, while removing metal from the edge was called clipping. Sweating — shaking the coins in a leather bag and collecting the dust worn off — was also done. Sweating tended to wear the coin in a more natural way.

These practices at the end of the 17th century were so common that in 1696 a stock of old silver coins turned into the treasury for reminting with a nominal face value of 4.7 million had a metal value by weight of only 2.5 million leaving the Crown to absorb an irredeemable loss of 2.2 million. These practices became rampant due to the ability of the crooks to turn their ill-gotten gains into bullion bars and get coins from the mint in return.

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the above is why precious metal coins are usually given a reeded edge, one intended to make clipping obvious
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Good answers
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$1 face value halves, quarters, dimes have .723 oz silver. To account for some wear dealers use an average .715 oz, 1.1% loss. But coins that circulated a long time can weigh a lot less, like 8%+ loss, letters and dates very worn. That's why I tend to buy the later dates 90%, generally less wear.

If selling just $5 face the silver loss doesn't amount to much. But selling $100 - $200 face or more the silver weight loss can be an ounce to several ounces. So I think dealers will weigh and pay by weight if they see the coins are very worn. That's what my LCS does.

When I've bought cull Morgan and Peace I assume a weight loss also. Though these have a higher premium than halves, quarters, dimes.
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It varies over time. In some periods things like Barber quarters will sell at a steep discount to silver and other times at a large premium. Right now is the largest premium I can recall. It actually peaked a few weeks back at about a 20% premium but when silver was $8.00 per OZt they were at a 10% discount.

Long term buyers are well advised to play the gold/ silver spread as well as the premiums. Just buy "interesting silver" and when it gets a premium trade it for "interesting silver" at a discount. After a while you'll find you have some free silver and what you have mostly has a numismatic premium that will protect against the downdrafts to which silver is prone. It's much better to have a 1972 Christmas art bar than a beat up and ugly junk silver dollar.
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There are lots of great coins that collectors overlook now days and many reasons that coins develop discounts and premiums. 35% War Nickel, for instance trade at a steep discount to silver because they are bulky and people believe that there is a huge expense to process them. But there are countless opportunities in these because you can buy them at a discount and they are being destroyed at a breakneck pace. The wear is nominal with less than a 1% loss but there are better dates and better grades. After you dump the junk you'll find you have all kinds of these left that can be sold at substantial premiums. If you haven't looked at these recently you'll be surprised how few G and better ones are left. Better dates are even tougher and there are buyers for even common dates in XF and AU. There are lots of interesting varieties that are still "easy" to find. This opportunity may be coming to an end but don't overlook the 40% half dollars. It hasn't even begun here and it is about the same situation. Nice attractive 40% halfs are not that common and there are varieties here as well. Be sure not to overpay even when you buy at a discount because most of it will have to be sold at a larger discount.

It's still a good time to dump most heavily worn coins.

Markets are highly inefficient and collectors have some strange prejudices. Most hate coins made after 1965 so you can buy a lot of late date silver with low mintages or high at discounts. If you're willing to do the work almost all silver will have a premium in the long run so you can trade it off for whatever is interesting and cheap at that time. Keep the good stuff that is worth more than the current silver value. A well worn 1914-S barber will still be a well worn coin in twenty years but if all you have left from a bunch of trades is a '14-S in F it will still be worth $30 or so even if silver drops through the floor.

Collector preferences and natural cycles create many strange opportunities.
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