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1860 O Seated Half Dollar Strike Though Error

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 Posted 01/22/2023  10:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add apcol258 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm skeptical. Would there not be some indication of the strike through showing as a weakness on the obverse? Also the reverse indentation edge seems almost too clean. I would expect there would be some flow lines or disruption from the mashing together of metal.

My guess is that it is contemporary PMD. Someone cut/shaved off part of the host coin, then expertly cut out a matching 1/2 dime size piece from another half dollar coin. These two pieces of coins have then toned together over time.

Edit: Oops, just saw the weights posted. That throws a wrench into that theory.
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01/22/2023 10:19 am
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 Posted 01/22/2023  1:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kbbpll to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I remain curious where 10% of the half dollar's weight in metal went. Is the half dollar portion 10% denser than a normal coin? Where did the metal go?

I flipped the obverse to visualize where the Half Dime aligns with that side.
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 Posted 01/22/2023  1:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add twohawks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As the weight is correct, that would mean the density of the overall area is somewhat heavier pre cubic millimeter of the coin. Also while both planchets are the same metal the overall hardness is not the same, hence why Dimes, Quarters, half dollars and Dollars are struck at different tonnage. This coin is going into PCGS Monday under express, as its real from everything I can see and view on the scale and under a stereo microscope. As a real 1860 O seated error "this would fall under a huge error" it will fall well above the $10,000 regular value submission.

Again, I understand questioning all errors, I just can't find an issue with this piece in hand! The coin is and if found real it will be an MS grade coin. The coin has no tooling and the reed count that was sent to me is correct for an 1860 O Seated half.



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 Posted 01/22/2023  2:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add apcol258 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The correct weight sold me on it. Assuming the coin is genuine, which it sure appears to be, I don't see how it could have been modified after it left the mint and still be the correct weight and size.

Thank you for sharing as this has been a fun one to think about.
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i really hope this thing is real. it would be one of the coolest "errors" ever.

im looking forward to the follow up! this thing is a lot of fun to ponder over.
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Included in the items in this collection is a 1945 Broad struck Mercury dime, 1961 D Cent struck on a dime, 1964 Half struck on a silver quarter, a nickel struck on a penny, a 1983 "Zinc Only struck Cent", an 1891 wide double struck in and out of collar V nickel, an 1895 Broad Struck Indian cent....... plus, some other things.


Would love to see all of those.
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What a neat opportunity to handle this likely intentional error. Keep us updated on the outcome, both grade and sale price!!
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 Posted 01/22/2023  8:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add twohawks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't plan on selling it, this will be a great piece to put in a cabinet at FUN to bring people to the table!

But whatever the outcome I will post it!

Here is an image of some of the other things in the collection we bought Saturday.


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 Posted 01/22/2023  9:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ttkoo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There are some wicked looking error coins there twohawks. Wow, what a collection in one grab. I'm fascinated also by the look of that gunmetal Indian head. Thanks so much for sharing!
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 Posted 01/22/2023  9:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow, great stuff!
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I am curious to know if it possible an XRF at the least for this coin. Basic I will perform an ESD/DSX. I never see one like this and also fake in this kind. The tarnish it is not realy correct from the point of view we know, this doesn't mean could not be.
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 Posted 01/22/2023  10:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add twohawks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well over the last few hours or 10 of them. The half dollar is a WB-2 die pair, the reed count is correct for an 1860 O Seated half and it scales correctly. The obstruction scales in at exactly where a seated 1/2 dime should scale in at. The depression is more than 2 millimeters deep. The coin has zero defects, no tooling, or any crushed or distorted devises or fields.

I'm sure PCGS will do an XRF scan, as well as run it over as well if not better than I have. Dan Carr just looked it over and shared the opinion that its genuine. Dan was a US mint engraver and owns the only functioning vintage Denver Mint press. He has struck more coins than most as the owner of Moonlight mint.

The fact we have a confirmed known die pair and the weights are correct its going in to be confirmed.

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01/23/2023 12:22 am
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Great. twohawks as I say. Never see one like this. After 20 years looking for fake or altered intentional coins, never see one as yours.

It is unique for me, For this series I have 15 and no one doesn't fit one point closer with this. Hope they perform the tests but I doubt them in the last time without fees.

My forensic test from your photos show the normal design with minor variation which are in parameters for the many strike.

Hope to see good results. Great coin.
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 Posted 01/23/2023  12:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CarrsCoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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The coin has zero defects


there is a flaw on the rim at about 10:00 on the obverse.
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 Posted 01/23/2023  9:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add twohawks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The correct weight of a real seated half is 12.4 grams, the correct weight of a Half Dime is 1.24 gram's, with a combined weight of 13.6 gram's. That is plus or minus .04 gram's normally. BTW I think this is a WB-3 not 2 as the date has a much thinner top of the "8"


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