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Compre esta moneda y no logro identificar con certeza origen y valor. Gracias por ayudar I bought this coin and I cannot identify with certainty its origin and value. Thank you for helping  |
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What is its weight and diameter?
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Pesa 5,80 gramos
Mide 18,70 mm
Espesor 2,60 mm
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Pesa 5,80 gramos
Mide 18,70 mm
Espesor 2,60 mm Does not match anything in my copy of Alberto Gomes. If it was a Real from Goa it would weight 3 g and. And have the letter G for Goa. But it looks the type. Might be a variant? Edited by jecz79
02/08/2023 10:54 pm
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He revisado todo los catálogos posibles, y lo mas parecido que encontre es un real de Sebastian de ese año, en Numista, otra cosa no pude encontrar. Por la letra T podría ser 1 Tanga.
I have reviewed all the possible catalogs, and the closest thing I found is a Sebastian real from that year, in Numista, I couldn't find anything else. For the letter T it could be 1 Tanga.
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Sell it as a Goa piece and indicate not in Gomes. Match the weight to the denomination in the series. Its real early so as he said above its a variant. John Lorenzo, Numismatist. P.S. Starting to collect these due to their crudeness. Real interesting series. Don't have Gomes - will buy once in English. Just collecting these as simple type pieces - nothing elaborate so KM is sufficient. JPL
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Cannot be a tanga, it would be silver.
My catalog is not the latest. But I cannot see a mint using a T.
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El problema es que en ningún catalogo, por mi conocido, aparecen monedas de tanga de esa epoca (1562) por lo tanto no puedo saber si en las primeras emisiones de Goa, la unidad Tanga era en plata o en otro metal, sí en las emisiones más allá del 1600 (catalogo Krause). Gracias por su interes y ayuda
The problem is that in no catalogue, as far as I know, there are tanga coins from that time (1562) therefore I cannot know if in the first issues of Goa, the Tanga unit was in silver or in another metal, yes in the emissions beyond 1600 (Krause catalogue). Thanks for your interest and help.
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Wouldn't the obvious answer be this is some kind of old fantasy or wildly incorrect contemporary counterfeit?
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No es una respuesta obvia porque hay, por lo menos, otra moneda con la misma fecha (tipología identica en el numero) pero de Sebastian (tiene la S al centro, corona arriba y R abajo en el frente. esta en lugar de corona tiene cruz latina y T al centro y R abajo. En una copia de fantasia (como Ud. sugiere), nadie haría la perforación parcial que tiene, solamente una falsificación de epoca, pero, y el original. El problema de esta moneda es que hay pocas de esa epoca con fecha. seguire buscando.
It is not an obvious answer because there is, at least, another coin with the same date (identical typology in the number) but from Sebastian (it has the S in the center, crown on top and R on the front below. This one has a crown instead of Latin cross and T in the center and R below. In a fantasy copy (as you suggest), no one would make the partial perforation that it has, only a period forgery, but, and the original. The problem with this coin is that there are Few dated from that time. I'll keep looking.
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The problem is that in no catalogue, as far as I know, there are tanga coins from that time (1562) therefore I cannot know if in the first issues of Goa, the Tanga unit was in silver or in another metal, yes in the emissions beyond 1600 (Krause catalogue). Thanks for your interest and help. Your coin is copper? It is impossible that a copper coin would be a tanga in this date. In the 1540s Aleixo de Sousa devalued copper in Goa, at this low a tanga would be worth 326 g of copper.It was a coin devaluation, the tanga should be worth 50 bazarucos, at 12g of copper each. See 'The devaluation of Goa's bazaruco between 1542 and1545', Bruno Lopes and Roger Lee de Jesus. That was reversed later in the century. So the tanga could only be a silver coin at this time. Would have 4 g of silver. And it was not minted in any record I know of. The silver pardau worth 5 tangas was minted with 20 g. Edited by jecz79
02/11/2023 11:15 pm
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Incredible detective work so based on the new findings its back to a contemporary circulating counterfeit status based on its metallic composition?
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Hola, aparenta ser de bronce, similar a 1 real de Sebastian de ese año, identificado en Numista, con la misma tipografía de números. Lo que confunde es la T al frente con la R debajo y cruz latina arriba, y al reverso la T bajo la fecha de 1562. Para mi es un tipo de moneda pero como no encuentro otra, sigo en la búsqueda, y no seria el primer caso de una moneda no registrada.
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A tanga denomination made in bronze? - its has MUCH historical value as a CCC no matter how much you want it to be regal. Its that word "counterfeit" that seems to indicate a devaluing sense in many collectors today >BG>. JPL
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