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Identification Of Non-Silver Nickels In Lot Of War Nickels Question

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I have a couple hundred 1943 P War Nickels and I have a few that are not the grey-black ugly color of the majority of the coins. I understand here have been War Nickels that have been identified with the War Nickel mint mark but they did not contain the 35% silver that is typical of nickels made during that era.

Since the weight is the same, I read that you can tell an audible ping difference. I cant tell a sound difference at all.

I read the 2 coins have a different specific gravity so I bought an SG kit for my small carat scale. It slips and slides on the scale and provides inconsistent results.

Does anyone know of another way to differentiate these coins other than the mint mark (which is obviously why the mint used these marks in the first place) that I can use?

Or... does anyone know of an SG machine that is not a thousand dollars that actually works?

I sent emails to all of the jewelers in my area and none of them has a metal tester gun.

Thank you for any advice.

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My understanding is that ALL 1943 nickels contain 35% silver.
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I sent emails to all of the jewelers in my area and none of them has a metal tester gun.


Try the "we buy gold" and pawn shops, they're more likely to have one.
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I understand here have been War Nickels that have been identified with the War Nickel mint mark but they did not contain the 35% silver


I am with fplagge. I too have never heard of this, but I don;t really follow US coins much.

I wouldn't waste my time or money on this endeavor, but I agree that only XRF is going to help much here, I doubt any kind of DIY SG measurement is going to be precise enough (though I am curious about the reference you found that cited the difference in SG)..
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Maybe post pictures. They almost always have the look
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Where did you read this information? can you post up a link to it?

The only nickel I know of that was 'issued' was the Henning counterfeit nickel but that one did not have the large MM above the dome, and that was made in the 1950's and back dated. I don't think Henning used any silver in his coins.
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My notes: 1942-1945 w/large P or S mint mark above monticello are 35% silver. Some 1942 (philadelphia and denver) are not silver but are silver in 43,44,45. All 43-45 dated had silver. The Denver mint did not change to the silver alloy in 1942. All Denver mint 1942 nickels are the nickel/copper alloy of standard nickel coinage. Philadelphia was the only mint to strike both alloys in 1942. A standard nickel is 25% nickel and 75% copper. Silver are 56% copper, 35% silver, and 9% manganese. 0.05626 troy ounce silver. Some info/ ways to tell them apart are here https://www.coinstudy.com/1942-nickel-value.html and https://coins.thefuntimesguide.com/...ickel-value/
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Thank you for all the tips and information. My source: According to the Coin World Almanac, Eighth Edition, the specific gravity of a copper nickel 5 cent is 8.92, while the specific gravity of a wartime alloy nickel is 9.25.

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Ah ok, your looking for the very rare transitional errors which may still have the large mint mark but is on the wrong planchet. Some info on specific gravity as its not generally discussed much since its advanced but can be helpful when weight alone does not give all the answers if your able to do it yourself following these instructions.
https://coinsblog.ws/2016/06/detect...gravity.html ANACS senior numismatist Michael Fahey said graders relied on the 40 percent silver 1971-D Kennedy half coin's specific gravity in making the silver-copper clad determination as an example if you cannot do it yourself you can send to anacs which is less if your unsure and just want to check some of them, or PCGS. https://www.coinworld.com/news/us-c...-silver.html

Otherwise for that specific one when you look at 1943-p Jefferson nickels. look for a coin with the color of a nickel minted after 1945 if its not a silver planchet. Circulated War Nickels appear much darker and grayer in color than regular nickels. Some of these silver nickels also have a fairly streaky toning pattern — caused by the particular metallic composition and how it reacts to the effects of heat, perspiration, and other environmental factors. The color difference on uncirculated versions of the copper-nickel and 35% silver nickels is flipped — Mint State silver nickels usually appear much whiter in color than the copper-nickel specimens do. There is also the sound difference in the two but you mentioned you could not use that for some reason. The value is high for these errors so if your pretty sure its probably worth to send in to have it evaluated in that case. Theres 4 of those kind of errors mentioned in the Strike it rich with pocket change 5th edition book by the way to look for, one has an error in the book where it mentions a denver coin but then says to look at philadelphia coins, some proofreading error in the book text. Of course it mentions others you could look for at the same time for those War Nickels. I'd have to check my notes if the others I have notes on are the same ones in the book or not. Hope you find one, few look at those for errors so they would be out there just waiting to be found by someone like you.
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Best of wishes in your search for the rare transitional strike 1943 nickel.
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Thanks @datatdragon. I have one that I soaked forever in acetone and the streaks remain ( lol ). I figured something bad had happened to it.

I have bought some of these recently ( 42-45 )and am amazed as to the sharpness and luster of these years. I have a 45 S that I would love to have graded , maybe one day.
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Thanks so much for all the information. There are a couple nickels I have that do not look like a silver nickel and I will probably get them graded by ANACS. The risk/reward factor on that kind of find is pretty high. Datadragon...I will definitely post if I am successful :) Thanks again.
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@Shorzy: There are a couple nickels I have that do not look like a silver nickel and I will probably get them graded by ANACS. The risk/reward factor on that kind of find is pretty high. Datadragon...I will definitely post if I am successful :) Thanks again.


Excellent. Yes, usually its just learning the information first or knowing where to look it up when needed, and then having the opportunity such as having those coins available to search. There are many stories out there of people who just said I just happened to read this book or website or watched a video seeing that this exists then I looked. One thing is certain if you dont know the info or dont look your sure not to find anything :)


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@hvacfreak: I have bought some of these recently ( 42-45 )and am amazed as to the sharpness and luster of these years. I have a 45 S that I would love to have graded , maybe one day.


Good luck on the grading if the graded values are higher than the cost to grade of course. The silver nickels were easy to spot when freshly minted because they had a dazzling brilliant finish on them that was whiter in appearance than regular nickels and often with sharp striking of the details. However, with time the finish tarnished and toned, often becoming a dull grey and less attractive, which also happened with the 1943 steel pennies made for the war effort too. So you have some great examples worth good money and the typical not so great ones but at least here those are silver.
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