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1983 Lincoln Cent Might Be Double Die Reverse?

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 Posted 04/13/2023  09:22 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Ryo to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I'm not sure if this 1983 Lincoln Cent is machine doubled because it doesn't look pronounced shelf like it kind of comes off the letters at an angle. Please help I'm a beginner and I just don't know. Thank you
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 Posted 04/13/2023  09:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@ryo, a really good spot to look for doubled die reverses in on the letters of UNITED. Your cent doesn't appear to match either of the known DDRs and yes the doubling that is there reduces the width of the letters so is more likely MD. Here is the varietyvista link to help you with your research:

http://www.varietyvista.com/01b%20L...R%201983.htm

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 Posted 04/13/2023  09:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ijn1944 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm thinking Die Deterioration is the primary culprit here, with some related doubling in the mix.
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 Posted 04/13/2023  09:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JimmyD to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


Die Deterioration along with some MD.
Neither of which add value to the coin .
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 Posted 04/13/2023  09:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Looks like MD to me. Also,please no photos of your scopes screen.
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Machine Doubling flattens/alters the devices on the tops/sides of the devices. (Depending on the hop and how high it happens post strike. These are striking issue. A doubled die is caused by a doubled die, that would strike the coin. The difference? Machine Doubling reduces the size of the devices. On hub doubling the devices are enlarged in size:
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Note on your coin, only some areas are affected. If this were a doubled die, then other devices would also be affected. Also coin contact in circulation will alter devices. So anything done post strike, is not a doubled die. Machine Doubling can happen on doubled dies, but Machine Doubling doesn't make a doubled die. (Only suffers from it just like normal dies)
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Note the date devices are showing a doubled die on these images of 4 DDO's? But note the yellow arrows. Note they are pointing to areas that were altered post strike by Machine Doubling. Note the mintmarks? All affected by MD. But on a doubled die pre 1990, the die hub processes were one step of die creation. The mint marks are added in a later step. So when you see the MD on both the date and the mintmarks on the pre1990 dies, then it is always Machine Doubling. (Normal or on a doubled die) Machine Doubling is never part of a doubled die. Only hub doubling creates a doubled die. Machine Doubling is an alteration post strike. "A doubled die is caused by hub doubling on a die!" Machine Doubling and die wear affects just one side of the devices. (This can happen on die wear and Machine Doubling on both sides of the devices.) But hub doubling will be seen on the center areas of the devices. Spread makes that area wider on the devices.
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Note how much wider these devices are compared with a normal die example?
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So looking for doubled dies, don't concentrate on the outside/inside edges of the devices. Look at the centers of the devices. There is where you will see spread it the coin you are looking at is from a doubled die. Train your eyes, on what to see on doubled dies, and your eyes will spot it a lot quicker and you will be less distracted by looking on the wrong areas to find a doubled die.

CoopHome: How can I spot doubled dies a lot easier? train your eyes by searching how the hub doubling looks on the coins you are searching. know what to look for by searching the sites to see what to look for. then your eyes will see what is/or is not a doubled die. otherwise you are searching blindly.
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 Posted 04/13/2023  5:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ryo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you guys. I was trying to respond to each of you but I don't know how I'm still learning how to use the forum not to text savvy #128517;. I have tried to find the variety on Lexus and variety Vista could not match it up to anything. I was thinking it might have been doubled because of the slight line I see going through the middle of the letters but it's not making the letters bigger if you take away from them they get smaller so I guess it's not a double die still trying to figure all of this out.lol
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Here are the three sites we all use:http://www.coppercoins.com/advsearch.php
http://varietyvista.com/
http://doubleddie.com/
What is Lexus,do you have a link?
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