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For Grading - 1916 S Lincoln Wheat Cent

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Recent pick-up for $10, I liked the look of the coin. Thoughts on where it could grade? No luster to talk about. Thanks!


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AU55/58 to these old eyes. Nice woody look, too! Lovely coin!
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Images are a bit soft to see the details. I'll go XF45 due to uncertainty of what's actually there.


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Nice woody look, too


Perhaps - but it could also be obverse toning/environmental changes since the reverse has zero hint of any alloy striation.

Overall it's a nice coin for the price.
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EF-45
The obverse really catches your eye.
Nice pick-up for the price!
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i dont know what to think of this one. its an odd bird for me. strong hair detail right above the forehead, strong lettering and date. on the reverse the right stalk is weak but the all the lettering looks pretty sharp. I'm going to agree with the others XF45
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I'm really unsure. Such weakness in the cheekbone/temple area. Some mint color? EF-45 I guess.
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The dies were reworked in 1916, these are normally very sharp. This coin shows a lot of wear. The cheek is nearly flat and the wheats heavily worn. Still a cool woody!

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i wasnt aware of the reworked dies in 16. thanks Badthad but why would that have that affected this coin? if the dies would have been reworked prior to this one then I would expect the devices such as the coat, hair and stalks to be sharper. if the dies were not reworked prior to this coin then what caused the disparity between those same areas and say the coat or back of head?

this is the reason my thought was weak strike rather than die related and possibly struck just prior to rework. this would lead to a higher grade and what we are seeing is more strike related than actual wear
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this is the reason my thought was weak strike rather


Weak strikes would be rare in 1916 regardless of the mint. The master hubs were sharpened and new working hubs and dies were made. This year is known for sharp and detailed coins across the mints - and so are 1917-1918 for the same reason.

Notice the detail in the hair and beard on a mint state example.


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Weak strikes would be rare in 1916 regardless of the mint.


i understand this. I would then assume that this was struck prior to the the dies being re-worked.
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I would then assume that this was struck prior to the the dies being re-worked.


I don't think that is possible, I think they retired all the old hubs and dies prior to minting new coins in 1916.
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I don't think that is possible, I think they retired all the old hubs and dies prior to minting new coins in 1916.


badthad - based on all your comments then are you attributing what looks like a strike issue is actual wear?
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Absolutely, look at IN GOD WE TRUST, it's very sharply struck. If there were die issues, we'd see it right there. The cheek and jaw are nearly merged. It's a great looking cent regardless of the wear, I'd add it to my collection.

Look at PCGS MS BN for reference:

https://www.PCGS.com/coinfacts/coin...s-1c-bn/2492
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Not a weak strike! Very nice coin!
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