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1994-D Missing Copper Layer Or Plated?

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@Silviosi, this coin has a sheen similar to the 1989-D Lincoln Cent in the first of four photos here as well as the streaks so I just suggested its likely real and worthwhile to get it evaluated rather than dismiss it. But yes, you can certainly try to add any other info to help.
https://www.coinworld.com/news/us-c...nghouse.html

The surface should be bright, but not excessively so. This is true of our genuine 1989-D cent. A brilliant sheen — like that seen in our 1994-D cent — is a reliable indicator that a cent has been plated-over. By the same token, a dull, leaden surface luster will also often indicate a layer of added metal, such as mercury or lead.

Reliance on original Mint luster becomes problematical if the coin has oxidized. A powdery surface that ranges from dark gray to light gray can reflect oxidation or de-plating (or oxidation following de-plating). In any event, a coin with this kind of surface appearance must be assessed with other criteria. Or you can avoid the effort entirely by steering clear of any alleged unplated cent (raw or slabbed) that lacks Mint luster.
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@ DATA:

I always say you are the real encyclopedia of articles, studies and etc. The article you mention and also you state ask for more technical check (I say) must be perform. Normal, un-plated coin struck it is not a small error and I know hundreds of collectors which want.

Now this coin (for extra plating I come later) . ZINC: molecular structure: almost cubic. Rolls of zinc could have linear lines. Normal. A blank is done, go to annealing, the lines become smaller.
No plating, OK. Go to press. Indifferent if the blank or the die has lines, due to the structure of the material, those lines will be broke and become as small dots (not best word, maybe as sand blast). It is this for pure Zinc.

If Cu platted, then we will see the out layer of the coin texture which accept lines due to the molecular structure.

This coin I do not believe was mercury or lead, I believe just boil in a solute for color. This will not add weight.

This it is my theorem here.

PS: I remember years ago, Ken Potter wrote. Stanton contradicted in one direction and Mike in other direction. End: Ken: To follow; Stanton I stand with combination of three and Mike : I stand. Years after was find all have some reasons in that error and to day all three theorem are a package. No one wrong but no one perfect.
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As it mentions in the article and mentioned before, unplated Lincoln cents are difficult to authenticate in even the best of circumstances, even for grading services. That is why sometimes the pros will differ on opinions. lf the coin has oxidized then it makes it harder because it has no luster to rely on for other coins.

Silviosi says this in summary, so you currently have different opinions and will have to decide whether to spend the money to try to authenticate/grade it or not and if so report back which may help everyone learn. Posting on the forum as mentioned just sometimes can help people such as knowing a coin is not a variety/error as expected, a fake, or a much lower grade than thought and might save some money.


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Silviosi: This coin I do not believe was mercury or lead, I believe just boil in a solute for color. This will not add weight.

This it is my theorem here.
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@ DATA:

I do not know where you find the words, but I know you made narrative for all. Man it is a beauty to read you, not me LOL. In medical, science and technical we are probably to direct and peoples consider me and others to rude. Thanks ,
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Silvio, you speak more languages than most of us ever will. We can usually understand your English, and that's all that matters here!
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@silviosi Thank you for your input, not sure where excitement is coming into this conversation, its about learning how to identify these types of errors and any other potential error that gets posted. I used this site to gain experience and to share cool finds as well. I have had plated coins before, Cents, Quarters, and Half Dollars. This is the first one that has that mint luster. Most plated coins I have had didn't show cartwheels like this one. Matter of fact I don't recall ever seeing cartwheel luster like this on plated coins. My question is if a unplated Zinc planchet was struck and found in almost BU condition, would this unplated Zinc Cent show the mint luster like a regular Zinc Cent? Also this coin is not as reflective as other plated coins I have had over the years. With that being stated this still could be a Plated LMC which I am still leaning that way. The first photo is more how the coin looks in hand, but with cartwheels. I glad you are very confident in your opinion what you think this coin is. That is where I am trying to get. Thanks again.
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Hey Everyone, My curiosity got the best of me and I did a tiny scrape test, and I now am positive that this 1994D is a plated coin. In the photo it appears to be copper under the plating. @silviosi good job on your observation. I had a feeling it would turn out that way. Not knowing enough about unplated Zinc coins and how they appear in a UNC condition left me guessing of what I had. Great debate on this feed. It would have been a great find if it were a real Unplated Zinc, this time not the case. This is why we search, correct? Please remember when someone post a coin they are posting it to see if they have an error or rare find. Please don't be so quick to dismiss what has been posted. Most of us are here to learn and gain knowledge. Excitement comes once an item has been confirmed to be a true error or rare find. Thanks to you all for your input. It was a fun debate. Just wish the results turned out better.


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I was rooting for you, even though I had my doubts. Keep up the search and I look forward to your next find.
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Well, sorry to see it turn out to be a re-plated cent.
So this coin is (most likely) a zinc plated, copper plated, zinc core Lincoln Cent.
I did have some reservation about it being an unplated cent due to the weight, But one can always hope for the best outcome
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Dearborn I had to do a scratch test. It was driving me crazy not knowing. I think even if it was a true Unplated Zinc that tiny scratch would not hurt it too much. Back to searching and learning.
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Oh, I know, I would have done the same thing too. If this were a reeded coin, I would scratch it in between the reeds to hide it
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@ arby96

Your last pic show some Cu.

Now your question about the cartwheel. I say basic all the coins (Blanks), indifferent of the compositions or procedures as: clad or plating will pass the Blank polishing. Base on those procedures must be a cartwheel. After strike the difference will come from the type of Die polishing.

WEIGHT: Theoretically an unplanted coin must be less. TRUE = NO. Why? because a thicker planchet will balance the weight. So is necessary to look at the coins from many aspects and not just go ONE idea.

Me I do not state it is re-plated. I state has the characterizes of a coin boil in special solute which will detach Zn ions to the surface and broke the Cu ion and complete the Zn molecules with CU. This it is names semi reverse engineering of electroplating.

ARBY: we all learn every day till we go. Also in that moment, the last we will learn that we had only one life not two as we believed.

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