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Grading Thoughts On This 1864 Indian Head Cent

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Here's an 1864 Indian Head cent that I recently picked up. I believe it to be the "L in ribbon" variety. I'd love to hear everyone's thoughts!

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Pics too dark to see surface details clearly.
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Rounded bust, not the 64L.
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Here are some additional photos:

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Rounded bust, not the 64L.

Agreed.
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I'll say VF-35.
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I'm at VF25 due to surface roughness, don't think it would detail also agreed not the L
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CE, you have posted several counterfeit IHCs recently so maybe I'm a little sensitized, but this cent doesn't look very good to me. A couple features look iffy:

1. The upper edge of the Liberty band seems to consist of several segments, rather than a continuous line.
2. The letters of Liberty are very crude, rougher than I'd expect given the apparent level of wear.
3. Your enlarged photo of the bust tip shows a deformed number 1 in the date. Again, not a normal appearance.
4. The color seems strange, but cents can tone in all sorts of color so maybe that's not significant.

Is this a bronze or copper-nickel cent? If bronze it should weigh about 3.1 grams; if Cu/Ni, about 4.7 grams.

Hopefully it's not another fake.

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I also noticed the weirdness in Liberty and the bottoms of the feathers. I'm not going to call it fake but perhaps worth further inspection. Noticed the weak STAT and the rims both sides too - a wacky strike at the least.
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Jaobler made some good comments here on this coin and I have to agree with all of them.
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I really can't agrue with them either. But the "Shallow N" reverse is correct, a point that counterfeiters often overlook.
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My vote would be genuine (authentic), gradewise XF40, obverse grease-filled die

It has the toning often seen on " Greaser" bronze IHC's from the 1860s.



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I don't have a precise scale, but it does perfectly balance out (same weight) with my 1865 Indian Head cent on the scale that I do have. It looks like it was weakly struck or has some sort of grease error on the obverse. Thanks for all of your input!
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