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1964 Washington Quarter With Die Break And Double Die Each Side.

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I recently picked up some silver dimes and quarters for 20 times face value (around $130 worth). All but a couple dimes are Roosevelts and the quarters are all Washington's. Almost all of the quarters (around 60%) are 1964, most of those have seen very little circulation. It's been fun sorting and inspecting them for errors and looking for coins worth grading. I bought a 225X camera/microscope for the computer and of course the coins that look almost uncirculated to the naked eye aren't even close to being as good as they look. I found a dozen or more that has not one, two or three but four errors. Here's one quarters that not only has significant die cracks both on the obverse and reverse. It's also has double die errors both sides. I'd be grateful for any opinions or corrections from those with more experience as to whether it's worth the cost of having it graded.
The person I got this from must have gotten the roll of the die crack coins as I've found 10 so far with the same crack. I can almost watch the progression of the crack enlarging coin to coin. Strange part is, I also have 2 with a similar crack but no mint marks which would mean they came from the Philadelphia mint.

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To CCF! Looks like Die Cracks and Machine Doubling or Die Deterioration Doubling.
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Yes, I'm seeing die cracks. The doubling appears to be Die Deterioration doubling--given the pics posted.
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to the CCF and MD DDD, and die chips. All are very common on coins.
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Ok I will explain this.
Observe: bottom of the bust it is a crack all the bottom starting before the bust and go further till ribbon. Origins it is a hub doubling and accentuate as in this case stage C and D
Reverse: 80 % of the coins has this crack on the eagle wing. Your coin it is stage D as you can see the crack is prolonged till the letters. The crack is go from United till end of the wing and a second was develop angle to this till letters. This show the stage C or D. Been an old Die the rest is a use Die stage and not part of the Design. Why I ssay part of the Design because the origns go back to
the working Hub.

Nice example to see the RDV-001 stage C and D

In 1964 all the Dies was produce in Philadelphia.
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Silvio.

Did Philadelphia send the dies with the D mint mark on them?
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Rob I have no data about. I know in 1964 was 12 engraver in Phil and 4 in Denver. Where the MM was perform is not specified in any of the Mint reports. Silvio
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Thanks Silvio.
I would hope that Denver did their own. They'd have to be able because who would've created the RPM's.

When the Mint Marks are redone then and now.
Do they have to heat the dies?
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In that time was hand made MM before hardener the Die. To day the MM it is on the Hub and after squeeze the Die, the die will be hardener.
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All dies were made in Philadelphia, then sent out to the other mints where they added their own MM's to them. Then they were tempered for proper hardness.

But on the OP's coin, they are very nice die cracks in the usual locations, and some MD is also noted.
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Thank you everyone for the welcome, I appreciate a the information that you provided. I finally finished going through and looking at all the coins with the magnifier. 19 of the 1964 Washington's have the same die crack on the obverse as the one pictured. I can almost identify the progression of the crack worsening from one coin to another. About half have the Die Deterioration Doubling on the reverse. I also found a couple 1963 with Die Deterioration Doubling on the reverse, one of them doubling clearly all the way around. Evidently all the coins have been in circulation. That being said, is it worth the cost of having circulated coins graded?
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That being said, is it worth the cost of having circulated coins graded?


Definitely not. Third party grading costs a lot of money. It would cost more to have them graded than what the coin is worth.
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All dies were made in Philadelphia, then sent out to the other mints where they added their own MM's to them....

That's what I believed until last year when I read a post saying the mint marks were added at the Philly mint before being sent out.
(I believe it was a thread about S/D and D/S Over Mint Marks )

Now I'm having trouble finding corroborating information for either.

Does anyone have definitive information on which mint(s) placed the MM on the dies?
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