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2020 P Doubled Die OBV Liberty And Date New Discovery

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2022 P DDO on LIBERTY and date New discovery? I posted the 1st one on the wrong page
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 Posted 07/28/2023  4:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like a new unlisted DDO to me. Nice find!
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Hi, thank you you are a very positive and knowledgeable person.
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Hi a larger pic. of LIBERTY. Thanks, Frank B.
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I'm interested in what others will have to say on this one - I just don't see it, but then I have a hard time with this type on my best days.
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The full shot of LIBERTY shows promise. Experts, what do you say?
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Sorry Frank, but is no DDR here. In order to understand the new DDR or DDO of those new modern strike coins you has to go to the basic = Die production. Singled Squeeze. The photos are beauty and let me to go deep. I do not know why some go exited fast without analyze well.

You has normal coin for those strikes and what you see it is just how the material flow. Maybe one day someone will find one DDR or DDO but sure not this coin.
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Siliviosi, this is a DDO. There's notching on the bottom of the letters in Liberty and extra thickness. Take another look at the pictures.
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Looks like a DDO to me but I am not so enthusiastic about looking at images sideways.
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These are published reference images from PCGS for a 2020 1c. To me, the lines to the left of Liberty just look like typical rimward Die Deterioration. The second coin also demonstrates Die Deterioration Doubling on the E of We and the TR of Trust, similar to the coin you posted.

I am not saying that this is not true doubling, but it does have an appearance very similar to die wear. If one of the pros could break down specifically how they are different, that would be quite helpful for examining future coins.
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The vertical bars of the E and R look too wide, the interior of the R looks too small, and the base of the Y (as well as the R and T) appear to be angled. All these are strong indications that the coin is a DDO.
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Very similar to WDDO-001 but maybe different. Nice find!

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Bottom left side of letters in liberty have notching. Nice DDO find.
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Hi, Thanks to all of you. When I try to rotate the pix they upload all wonky Only a DDO on this 2020 P.
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The vertical bars of the E and R look too wide, the interior of the R looks too small, and the base of the Y (as well as the R and T) appear to be angled.


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Bats, here is what is confusing to me. WDDO-001 on the left, the current coin on the right. On the Wexler example, the extra width is fully level with the parent device. The notching on the bottom is an angled surface with no interior features. There is clear separation of the letters from the field.

On the coin under discussion, there are a few differences. The slanted leg of the R and post of the T have both retreated from their original position, and deteriorated to a rounded termination. Compare to the straight leg of R and the post of Y. Their full length would seem to indicate where the pristine EDS line would have been for the bottoms of all the letters. The doubling exhibits a soft, rounded slope that extends all the way around the tip of the R-leg and T-post. It is not the same vertical level as the parent device, although that isn't required for a diagnosis of VIII Tilted Hub. The crossbar of the T also shows a soft, rounded slope downwards which seems consistent with Die Deterioration.

For the bottom tips of the RTY, it does have an angled quality. But I understood the classic double to basically be two copies of the device slightly offset or twisted. If the offset is great enough, you get notching and separation lines. They stand up from the field. Here the doubling curves softly around the devices on a gentle slope that is a different level than the parent devices, connecting with the field without the steep drop of a fully formed device.

I know that's a lot to read, but I'm trying hard to get the right mental process for understanding doubling.
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Hi, yes. I think it is great that soo many people offer info. to help people become better at doubled dies and error coins ect. That is why I try to put up new post of DDO's / DDR's and diff. errors that may or may not be known. Also so that people can look for them in the cons they may already have or in pocket change.
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