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Interesting that there was a topic recently about a struck through rim burr but a reference was posted in that topic about rolling fold errors. Having read through that reference from a Mike Diamond article in Coin World, I come across this quarter for sale and instantly thought it matched a "Rolling Fold" error. It is, however, not an exact match. According to the article, folds should not have copper (from clad coins) showing and this one certainly does. It does have a "low, broad, symmetrical tongue of metal that intrudes a short distance into the field" and "the reverse clad layer has been dragged onto the edge a little bit" seen from the edge photo. So, I'm not exactly sure where this fits but I'm interested in opinions. Here's the Coin World article - https://www.coinworld.com/news/us-c...planche.htmlThe coin felt thicker/heavier to me and it does weigh slightly overweight at 5.80g. Maybe this has something to do with the error? Anyways I think it is why the hair on GW is so well defined. I'm also seeing what looks like two folds, or a fold within a fold. Thanks for looking!    
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Bedrock of the Community
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Pretty cool error coin! It's some type of Pre-Strike Damage.
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I think this happened during the milling process. Not saw many coins with this type of variety or error how you want to categorize.
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Very nice catch on this planchet error.
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 Something different. Start with a small flawed section on a blank. Run it through the upset mill, (which, if not rolled over already) pushes up and or rolls it over, then struck through a rolling fold.  Thanks, Doug. |
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This is an atypical rim burr. The metal was torn up, and the flap came to rest on the surface of the planchet. Damage like this often occurs immediately before the strike.
Error coin writer and researcher.
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Thanks for the responses.. Mike I'm curious about the cladding which appears dragged onto the edge a bit directly in line with the torn up area. Isn't this a sign, as you mention in the article, of the blank being forced through the hole in the base plate? Could the blanking die not have created the torn up area? It also seems to me that the reeding is undisturbed.
"Pride is yoked with callous behavior, as humility is with compassion." St. Gregory Palamas Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCLStruck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burrFloating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978 |
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Very interesting error. Thanks for sharing it.
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Just lurking on this thread to learn something. Thx for posting an interesting find @coinhi.
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CoinHi, rolling folds on clad coins never show the copper core dragged over onto the coin's surface. They also never show damage to the area that will become the design rim. This coin shows both.
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. Really cool find. Thanks for sharing. |
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I'm still puzzled. I've posted another photo showing the edge only because I think the other angle didn't show this effect well enough. The reverse clad layer has been dragged onto the edge obscuring some copper core. Back to the article "The rolling fold in this example lies on the face derived from the original upper face of the coin metal strip. We can tell this is the case because the reverse clad layer has been dragged onto the edge a little bit, obscuring some of the copper core. This effect occurs on all clad coins and occurs when the blank is forced through the hole in the perforated base plate." Couldn't this be an atypical fold instead?  |
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Your photo of the edge changes my assessment. A rim burr should not affect the exposure of the copper core and should disturb the reeding, at least to some extent. So the balance of the evidence does support your contention that this is an atypical rolling fold. I'm always glad to be corrected.
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. Congrats on the find. Sometimes it seems ya just gotta send the right picture. Sometimes more than just 4ish. Edited by RobO411
08/01/2023 1:45 pm
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Actually, this would make for an interesting column in Coin World. I'll just download your excellent photos and use them. I'll need your full name so I can properly credit you. Error coin writer and researcher.
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Great news Mike!
I sent you the info with additional photos, thanks.
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