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1964 D Cent Vista DDR-011

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They were and this is what makes each die, that was hand punched by the mint mark punch, unique.
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Ok...Now I feel very stupid. When reading other posts about "mis-placed" mint marks, the reply from a narrator or other member is usually that when a cent is hand punched, the mint mark can be anywhere. I think I'm wasting my time. I thank all that have tried to walk me through this learning process.
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JFeed, No "Now I feel very stupid" wrong thinking.

The DDR come from the working hub who strike the working dies. The MM in that time was punch manually and can have different orientation or placement. The examples on VV or Wex are the coins they has to analyze. Not more not less.

But if the working Hub who produce the die do many Dies? we can have same DDR but different MM positions and orientations.

Me I still stand for DDR with MD and not the 011, another. JF, I have same DDO or DDR in Quarters and are same but come from different Dies with complete others markers. So for me MAKE show very nice diff of 011 and your coin but never pronounce on the DDR.

PS JF: The MM was on Hammer not anvil. The DDR is DD's on Anvil. Conclusion: Who can say that, in that time, the Hammer was not change and so we have same DDR but with different Hammers.
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No need to feel 'stupid' here, we all learned this at some point., after all I wasn't born with all this knowledge - I learned most of it right here on CCF.
One on my very first coins I posted here was a VERY damaged dime with the cladding ground off thinking it was an error, and then there was my 1969 cent with a missing second 9 - (guess what? a Greaser! lol)
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You should not feel stupid, you just need to understand. First, do you understand that the hand punched mm is in each die, not each coin? A die makes hundreds of thousands coins and a hand punched mm in that particular die makes the same. This being said, that die and mm placement on that die is unique, kind of like a fingerprint.
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PS JF: The MM was on Hammer not anvil. The DDR is DD's on Anvil. Conclusion: Who can say that, in that time, the Hammer was not change and so we have same DDR but with different Hammers.
Sil, I already stated this, in much simpler terms, as needed. Not a DDR, so even though I have explained this, is irrelevant.
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If you will look back at my posts, you will see that I have worked extremely hard to understand the terminology,etc. There doesn't seem to be any consistency when various variaties/errors or whatever are presented. Actually..at this time and point, I don't know if this coin is a keeper or a shim for a loose door. Silvo,,,,you have always been supportive and I appreciate it. Maybe if this coin why submitted by another prominent member, it would get a different analysis.
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jfeed, don't know what else to tell you without other questions to answer, that I have not already answered. If you don't understand something that I have stated, ask it, otherwise, send it to an attributor and get back with us with an answer from a professional.
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Could other members please point out the areas you feel have true doubling? I'm not seeing anything but MD.

JFeed, take your time. You'll get there. Continue to be patient. Give yourself credit for the time you have invested to learn. (Nice images BTW)


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... First, do you understand that the hand punched mm is in each die, not each coin? ...

This is a very important distinction Makescents points out.

MD can be confusing to novices and even experienced collectors. The longer you are in the hobby the less often it will happen.
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