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1943D DDR-006 Lincoln Cent (EMDS, Stage B) I like this one and I was able to attribute it fairly easily with the sellers images due to the pronounced die crack through the O(ONE) north to the U and rim VV description- "Strong spread on E PLURIBUS UNUM, Left upper wheat, C and T of CENT, TES of STATES, RICA of AMERICA, lower Right wheat and stem." The designated class of doubling is a little different between the 3. VV- 006 (Calls it class 2)- http://varietyvista.com/01a%20LC%20...3DDDR006.htmDD- 1dr-004 (Calls it class 2+6)- http://doubleddie.com/695834.htmlCC- WDDR-008 (Calls it class 2+6)- https://coppercoins.com/lincoln/die...ie_state=edsSeparation (class 2) is clearest at the left wheat tip and E. The right wheat stem has lots of thickness and "evidence of tripling" according to Wexler, (class 6 has thickness but not separation from what I understand). Another thing of note is the way there are recessed "enlarged silhouettes or contours" around some characters of the date, GOD, etc. The "ovals" reminded me of letters printers use when making up typefaces. Maybe these "ovals" provide some insight into how the master dies or galvanos were made during this period. Anyways, this is a nice example and I'm happy to put it in the folder. As always, enjoy and let me know your thoughts.           Here are some images of the "enlarged silhouettes or contours". (They are visible on some of the attribution site images as well so they must be known to the community at large.) Any thoughts or insight?   Words of encouragement are one of the major food groups.
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08/20/2023 12:34 pm
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Great coin and lots of info in this post. Thanks and hope lot of folks give this one a read.
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Very nice Petespocket55! Congratulations!
Errers and Varietys.
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Great coin and that was a good education for me, thanks.
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I wonder what caused the "enlarged silhouettes or contours".
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Thanks everyone for your interest and great replies . Quote:
I wonder what caused the "enlarged silhouettes or contours". I'm baffled by them. Do you think this might give us some insight into the master die production during 1943? All I can think of is that maybe the die never got polished after being hubbed? There was an extensive article in the March-April edition of Errorscope on 1943 cents by Mr. Kent Holland, pages 12-30. 18 pages of solid information. But it didn't mention these. It is a very interesting read, but exhausting with all the technical data, charts, references, and formulas provided. (BTW- Part of his conclusion was that some zinc coated steel planchets, provided by outside contractors, were coated individually. So zinc coating may be on the edges, according to his research.)  Words of encouragement are one of the major food groups.
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08/21/2023 10:18 pm
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Top notch pictures! smat |
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Thanks Smat45. Just my Android with clip-on magnifier. I do have to hold the coin to tilt it to have a chance on getting the lighting right
for the phone's software to adjust and focus properly.
I just had a thought on these "silhouettes" and a possible connection to a lack of polishing on the working die after hubbing (the working die being created).
What happens to the metal displaced by the design being hubbed onto a working die? It seems like the metal may be pushed to the area surrounding the design elements. There must be some polishing to the die surface to remove the excess and maybe the die face wasn't polished properly to remove the raised areas.
Sure hope someone in the know sees this and tells me I'm barking up the wrong tree or fills us in on the reasons for these raised "silhouettes".
Thanks again, everyone.
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08/23/2023 06:53 am
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Sorry to say, but I don't think it is related to die polishing. If that were the case we'd see such phenomena on many more coins.
I'm thinking that it must be due to a form of engraving done to enhance features, similar to what we see around the silhouette especially around the face and hair that was done on working hubs. In that case the engraving was done with a fine burnishing tool. If I'm right, the work around the letters was done with a much larger and flatter burnishing tool, but still done by hand.
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Sorry to say, but I don't think it is related to die polishing. If that were the case we'd see such phenomena on many more coins.... Ray, Thanks for your insight. You've been at this wayyy longer than I have. This is the first time I remember seeing this effect on a coin. To be clear, I don't think this was due to polishing of the dies, but rather to a lack of polishing of the working die after hubbing. Quote:
...I'm thinking that it must be due to a form of engraving done to enhance features, similar to what we see around the silhouette especially around the face and hair that was done on working hubs. In that case the engraving was done with a fine burnishing tool. If I'm right, the work around the letters was done with a much larger and flatter burnishing tool, but still done by hand. My thought was that with all the production challenges the mint had in dealing with the Lincoln Cent production in 1942/1943 some polishing may have been overlooked. To me, the silhouette is too uniform and symmetrical to have been created by burnishing by hand. (For starters, it seems like the little "peak" between the G & O would have been straight across if it had been done by hand.) If you're interested in looking at this in hand, I'd be more than happy to send it to you. Thanks again for any insight. Words of encouragement are one of the major food groups.
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I'm pretty backed up but if you can wait a while for the pics I'd be happy to shoot it in high res.
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Sounds like a plan and would be most excellent!
I think I still have your address.
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