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The First 4 Reales Coin Struck In The New World

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The first coins struck in the New World were made at the initial Mexico City Mint which was located in the home of Spanish conquistador of Mexico Hernan Cortes. Smaller denominations were made initially in 1536 and the larger 4 reales and the extremely rare 8 reales coins were made in 1537 and early 1538. This was 44 years after Columbus landed in the New World in 1492. Cortes conquered Mexico in 1519. This was the early precursor of the U.S. half dollar coin.

I was traveling in Spain earlier this year and I was looking for this coin but found it here and acquired it today. Daniel Sedgwick does a great job documenting the first coins struck from dies made in the New World in the link here: https://www.sedwickcoins.com/articl...osyjuana.pdf

As always, let me know your thoughts on the coin.

The First 4 Reales Coin Struck in the New World

One interesting thing about this coin is that the crown above the shield continues past the shield on the right hand side and provides an example of the primitive die cutting methods of the earliest efforts to produce coinage in the New World.

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MEXICO, Colonial. Juana y Carlos. Queen & King of Spain, 1506-1516. AR 4 Reales (32mm, 13.38 g, 7h). Early series. Mexico City mint; Francisco del Rincón, assayer. Struck 1537-1538. Crowned coat-of-arms / Crowned Pillars of Hercules; PLVS in oval lozenge at center. Nesmith 6b/6a (for obv./rev.); Menzell Mx-11; BW 8. Toned, usual double strike. Good VF. Rare. Among the earliest coinage of the New World and the first 4 Real struck in the hemisphere. Excellent condition for the type with a very clear strike.

On 18 November 1537 a royal decree authorized the minting of 4 and 8 Reales at the Mexico City mint, the earliest instance of these denominations in the New World. Only a handful of trial strikes were made for the 8 Real, making the 4 Real the largest collectable denomination from this issue and the first "half dollar" struck in this hemisphere.
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What a fantastic coin, numismatic student!
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Thank you HB!
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Very interesting - thanks for posting!
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Super coin, and a great link to know about for collectors of this series!
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Very solid example.

Not any kind of die engraving error there, though... simply a rotated double-strike.
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Thank you for all your kind comments.

@realeswatcher - thank you for sharing your observation. I understand that the crown on the shield overhang on the right side can be due to a double strike with a rotated die on the second strike. But if this had happened, I would expect other elements of the design to be doubled. How is it that only the crown impression is so prominently rotated, maybe 30 degrees, but no other elements of the design appear to appear on the coin from the second strike?

Also on the columns side in 'HISPANIE' the 'ISPA' portion of the word is shifted out to the edge with a portion of the beading below. We actually see two rows of beading only in that specific section. How can just that portion of the lettering shift out while everything else remains intact?

We known from Sedwick's article that these dies were created using punches for the lettering and other design elements. It seems more reasonable to me that a crown shaped punch was used to place the crown in the die and was punched twice, with a 30 degree rotation when the crown was repunched into the die. A lot like when digits are repunched on a date in more modern coins that we are more familiar with.

My thesis is that dies were never more dear than in the early days of the Mexico City Mint. If some element of the die was misaligned or misconstructed, they would never throw out the die, but mint laborers would try to put it to use even with all their glaring flaws. They would have been that parsimonious.

Just my working theory ready to be torn to shreds.
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I would expect other elements of the design to be doubled.


As you say, the corresponding location reverse also shows some kind of shifting of the planchet on a second strike.

Like you, I have a hard time wrapping my head around why some details show the die rotation and others don't, but remember these were hammered, and there were lots of things that are non-uniform about that process (unlike milling, where the pressure is applied more uniformly). I have several hammered coins showing these types of effects.

I am with realeswatcher, that this is just a double strike with the coin rotating a bit.
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Here is an informative article titled: "Early Spanish and Portuguese Coinage in America" published in the American Journal of Numismatics dated July 1881.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/43585767?seq=1

Seems consistent with everything we know today, but the title suggests it speaks to early Portuguese coinage in the New World, but this part seems entirely missing from he article.
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THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
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Also the ANA has sequenced images of the early coinage of the New World here:
https://www.money.org/money-museum/...s-moe-case2/
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THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
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Robert I. Nesmith's "The coinage of the first mint of the Americas at Mexico City, 1536-1572" published in 1955 can be downloaded and viewed here: https://docshare.tips/the-coinage-o...d8b4df7.html
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THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
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This one is a similar example also showing the crown sliding off the shield. This was sold by Sedwick earlier this year and was recovered from the 1550 shipwreck of The Golden Fleece. This one is Nesmith 6c whereas the subject of this thread is Nesmith 6b/6a.

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THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com
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@Numismastic Student

Very nice!

You had asked about Portugal and the 400/480 Reis was the equivalent of the pilar dollar. I do have an example from the 1800's.
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Thank you for your kind comments and sharing your Portuguese dollar. Was that 400/480 Reis struck in Portugal or in Brazil?

Turns out there is a video of the subject coin for this thread:

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THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com
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