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Vicksburg Shreveport And Texas $3 With Inverted Train

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Had this note for a long while and wondered if any of you have seen another. Frankly, printing money on the back of old bonds doesn't inspire much confidence. First two pictures are straight. I manipulated the color on the third so you can see the inverted train better. I wonder if this really is bill #372. Wonder how many were printed?
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Interesting item, can't add anything, but thanks.
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Heritage (ha.com) has sold a few in the 200$ range over the years but without the inverted overprint. Two step color printing leads to errors like this.

I'm guessing (if the note is genuine) that a specialty collector of Southern States currency might be able to shed light on the rarity of an inverted overprint. It's the first one I've ever seen.

Hopefully an "expert" will show up and offer some input.

Neat item no matter what! Thx for sharing!
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Like many things during the Civil War, paper was a commodity that was in short supply. Many Obsolete notes were printed on the back of bonds and notes that were not issued. The inverted side is pretty cool.
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Hmmmmm. An "Inverted Trainy".
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What area of notes does this note fall into. Is it a banknote or something else?
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Not a banknote, but I suppose a promissory note if some kind. I have others from 1840 that were issued by canal companies. I have several other railroad company notes from the Civil War era.
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Notes like this fall in the category of "scrip" or "chits" in my opinion. Not "official" money but could have been redeemed for "real money" by the bearer at the issuing agency if submitted in the proper amounts.
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Interesting note for sure.
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I noticed the obligation on this instrument states, "THE ... Company WILL PAY TO THE BEARER THREE DOLLARS In the circulating medium of Louisiana when presented in sums OF FIVE DOLLARS." How was that supposed to work? Did the bearer have to present at least fifteen dollars?
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How was that supposed to work?


To redeem for $ the redemption amount minimum was $5 worth of like script. You would usually do this at a station ticketing office.

"Redeemable for all dues" means that the note was always redeemable for its face value towards rail travel, fees, shipping charges and purchases from the issuer.
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found one at denleys of boston---selling for 135$---obsolete note---could not tell if it was an inverted train---https://www.denlys.com/inventory/viewimage.asp?ID=OB24683
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To redeem for $ the redemption amount minimum was $5 worth of like script.


That sounds like a reasonable interpretation but it says "in sums of five dollars" and not "in sums of at least five dollars" or something similar. If I presented two three-dollar notes, could the railroad company theoretically respond with, "That is not a sum of five dollars and we will not pay." Did the railroad company issue one dollar and/or two dollar notes?

I have seen similar restrictions on other scrip and I sometimes wonder if it was some sort of scheme to avoid redemption.
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The one Denly has does not appear to have an inverted overprint.

Most of this type of scrip was issued in denominations of 1, 2 and 3$ denominations.

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Heritage has sold a handful of these $3 notes over the years and I found three with inverted locomotives like your. Not one was identified as an invert. I didn't dig too deep, but the VS&T RR also issued other denominations with green tints. It would be interesting to see if any of those have inverts.
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