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Hello, I seller contacted me and offered this one dollar gold coin .He especially guide my attention to the fact that there are very unusual cracks,lines running across the design on one of the sides of the coin. He explained that these lines are convex not concave or flat as scratches. I haven't found this anywhere,has someone came across a similar coin ? The weight is 1,67 g.,12,7 mm.   |
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Moderator
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@pound, I suspect that someone has taken a blade or knife and scratched two lines in the face of this coin. Since gold is so soft, the displaced material has "smushed" to one side and overhangs the cut. That is why these lines appear to be raised.
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United States
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I agree, from the images provided, they look like intentional damage.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Pillar of the Community
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Can you get better photographs? And sharp closeups?
The fast that the lines go around the devices is strange to me. Who would take the time to perfectly avoid the star at K12?
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Thank you all for your help. As it was mentioned by Spence ,the coin could be easily manipulated by someone before it was found by it's current owner. It made me impression that the lines are very straight and somehow artificially produced. The thing that puzzles me more is why would somone bother to put it in circulation again ,with these lines.  The post of jacrispies also sounds logical ,the lines were made very careful. I will ask the owner for additional images and post them here. |
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Pillar of the Community
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PMD all the way - but where did it come from? I believe it could have been made to mimic a 'fake error', a coin struck with canceled dies (none of which have ever been found, mind you). Something like this, which shows coins illegitimately struck with cancelled dies. https://www.dc-coin.com/coloradogol...1-1-3-1.aspxbetter pictures might tell us more.
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10/04/2023 6:06 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I also thought of a cancelled die, but on the ones I've seen the marks are not so thin and precise. It's interesting how the lines are so straight and perpendicular, and seemingly cross at the exact center. Maybe somebody was just messing around to see how the design lined up.
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New Member
Bulgaria
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robbudo,kbbpll thank you for sharing this information. I looked at the link and I could say that this is something new to me. The lines look very similar to the one on the coin. I too can't say why it was made and could only guess what was reason. Could this had been practiced in 1850s when the coin was produced and if it was considered to be a fake or a counterfeit somone "canceled" it ? These are the only images that the owner send me. I have tried to optimize them with the program at the forum but this the best I could make .   |
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Could this had been practiced in 1850s when the coin was produced and if it was considered to be a fake or a counterfeit somone "canceled" it ? I have seen contemporary counterfeits that were deliberately scratched up, and own an 1861 10c like that. It's impossible to say if it was done because they knew it was fake. The scratches aren't as precise as this one though. |
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Bedrock of the Community
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Odd. Almost has the look of a cancelled die.
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United States
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That is a very interesting coin! The lines do appear to have come from the die itself but does not look like cancellation marks. The raised lines are very precise seeming more like some kind of alignment marks. I spent many years in the graphic arts field and this is very similar to what we call registration marks. As pointed out above the placement of the intersecting lines perfectly misses the devices. The result of a test or practice die of some sort?
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10/05/2023 6:13 pm
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New Member
Bulgaria
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The coin does look very odd . The owner told me that he bought it from a jewelry store . If it was canceled how it made out in circulation at first place ? The lines look to be passing right under the star at top and left and as
canudigit mentioned in his post they are very precisely aligned and look to be raised.If it was a rough cut made by hand shouldn't the stars also have been damaged ?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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interesting...very precise looking
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If it is a counterfeit, it is a very good one.
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Posted 10/04/2023 09:09 am
Uncirculated American Silver Eagles 
