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I already checked BVC/WDD, Variety Vista, CONECA. There are no doubled dies listed for 1975 from any mint, obverse or reverse. This nickel does show some signs of Die Deterioration, but not severe. I've looked at maybe a thousand 1970s nickels at this point, and I don't remember seeing anything particularly like this coin. I've seen examples of Machine Doubling from that era, but again, not like this. I will take additional pictures in the sunlight tomorrow, including full macro lens shots of the front and back. The phenomenon is most evident on the bottom serifs of STATES, so I took three pictures angled at 0-90-270 to the main light.      Whatever caused this phenomenon, it's visually quite striking. |
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@brand, that is an interesting one. Sometimes it seems like the angle of the light can cause doubling to appear. My gut says MD, but I'm interested to see what others think.
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At first, I was going to say I see split notching going on, indicating a doubled die, but looking at the last T of States I see the feature going both ways near the bottom of the T in your first/third picture, therefore I can safely conclude some unusual Machine Doubling and die wear going on...  |
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Looking very close at this coin and for a long time I have to agree totally with mrwhatisit.
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the AT of States is interesting, because there are outlines on both sides of those letters I suspect die deteriroration is responsible, that or machine tripling
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Not sure about this one - the doubling seems to be going in 2 directions in image 5 In image 1 the doubling is on both sides of the devices. which shouldn't happen on DDO / DDR's I'll go with a very weird MD or MD combined with DDD. |
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Without arguing this specific coin, I just want to point out that there are plenty of examples where doubling is present on both sides of a narrow device. It is not uncommon on Class II (Distorted) and Class VI (Distended) doubling. My page of notes for Variety Vista medium doubling post-1959 has 1970-D, 1960-D DDRs, 1962 DDO 001, 006, 007, 008, 010, 042, especially 1962-D DDR 004, 005, 1963 DDR 007, 011, especially 072, 080, 1963-D DDR 001, 002, 080. And that's just the notes that I scribbled down with little squiggly diagrams, and just for Jefferson nickels. The 1963 TDR FS-801 is emblematic of this type of doubling. Split serifs to only one side are more common to Rotated, Pivot, and Offset doubling. As for this specific coin, I am going to take some photos and see if we can't get better information on the unusual features. |
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Will be waiting for the additional images..  |
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Pillar of the Community
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It's possible. The DDD widens the parent device, and then MD either flattens some of the excess material, or some metal gets scraped off as the die lifts from the strike. |
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I should add: thanks for looking at the coin, guys. It was a head scratcher for me.  |
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It was my pleasure. I love a challenge
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 I do have to say, it's probably the most visually compelling example of Die Deterioration Doubling that I have yet encountered. Most other Die Deterioration "doubling" on 20th century Jefferson nickels is just puffy thickness or the fading of obviously withered devices. The 21st century nickels have those strange well-defined ghosts of a seemingly very uniform shallowness. You can see where a more enthusiastic newbie might jump on that coin as real doubling. So I'm thinking ebay for $200, new unlisted DDR? —-> For the sarcasm impaired, I am just kidding!<—- |
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INHO here we have also an Hub Doubling. I never see DDD and MD acting as this coin. I will try the 3D (if the photos permit me) of the coin and come back |
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