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Bedrock of the Community
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Device placement aside, it has a totally unnatural, dead look to it.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Only VAM with a near slanted date is VAM 6 VAM 4 is a near date but not slanted and the 2nd C in CC is quite a bit lower than the 1st C VAM 5 is close but the slant is not nearly as pronounced as VAM 6 Date position is correct for VAM 6 but all VAM 6's have doubled reverse legends and the letters in CC are thick. VAM 3 / VAM 7 are spitting eagle varieties and instantly recognizable VAM 8 has date set further to the right. Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis |
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Bedrock of the Community
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Something does look off.
Errers and Varietys.
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Pillar of the Community
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Would be a treat if it turns out to be genuine and an otherwise unknown variety. I think PCGS guarantees their coins so may want to contact them with some of the concerns in this forum and have them reevaluate.
Edited by fenton
12/01/2023 08:34 am
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Pillar of the Community
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As others have stated, my first reaction was that it does not look right. $50 for a graded CC, not likely.
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I was the only bidder on this lot and threw a lowball at it. It is an auction house that I've used before but this wasn't a coin-centric auction and none of the other Morgans sold - I don't think the auction was well-attended.
The coin has shipped and should be here early next week. I will try to contact PCGS ahead of that and find out if they know of any counterfeit holders for this particular coin.
Thank you for your continued comments to help me determine if I will keep or return this poor beast!
"Nummi rari mira sunt, si sumptus ferre potes." - Christophorus filius Scotiae
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Bedrock of the Community
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Pillar of the Community
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Post a quality image of the slab and let's see if the barcode scans correctly, as well as other signs of a counterfeit slab. I'm not a Morgan guy but it doesn't seem to be a more expensive date, so I wouldn't expect a sandwiched fake but you never know. PCGS has missed these before.
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I don't think pcgs makes many mistakes on these morgans.. If it is indeed a counterfeit the slab is most likely non genuine.
If you have full photos of the slab that would be helpful, if not seems like a red flag that this company wouldnt post full images with the slab.
But hoping you got a good deal on a cc morgan!
I've been collecting for a couple years... Favorite Coin's are Standing Liberty quarters, Working on my type set | Coffee, Corvettes, Coins & the CCF what could be better? |
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If a local coin store has an XRF analyzer that would help. My local coin store has one that examines the surface, if it's silver or gold and also measures the density through the whole coin. It works through a slab. If the metal analysis is correct that would help, but would not determine for sure if it's genuine though. Fakes can be made with 90% silver from worn coins melted down.
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I just prepped and sent these images to PCGS to see if they would comment - will let you know if/when they do. I also contacted the auction house to discuss options if the coin turned out to be counterfeit. In response, they sent me the PCGS results sheet where they had submitted the coin themselves. So, hopefully this is good news.    "Nummi rari mira sunt, si sumptus ferre potes." - Christophorus filius Scotiae
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Pillar of the Community
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The barcode seems to scan correctly but isn't it missing the PCGS logo in the lower right corner? Someone with better slab detecting skills than me should comment.
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My first (rookie) instinct was that this coin had been really harshly cleaned, or maybe rubbed to bring up the devices. It reminded me of when we were kids, and we would rub dirty coins on the carpet to buff them.
If a coin is Genuine but not graded, does PCGS give it all the bells and whistles on the label, or is that just for the "good" holders?
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I believe the PCGS logo is on the lower right corner, just very faint.
Edit: The holographic tape on the reverse side of the holder isn't coming through in the photos. That bothered me until I looked at other PCGS holders in the same auction - all of which looked washed out.
"Nummi rari mira sunt, si sumptus ferre potes." - Christophorus filius Scotiae
Edited by Bump111
12/01/2023 1:13 pm
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Went back to the PCGS cert verification page. I saw this at the bottom: Quote:
Current PCGS Registry Sets:
This cert is currently in a user's private Set Registry Inventory. Does that mean that this particular holder is in a registry set already? "Nummi rari mira sunt, si sumptus ferre potes." - Christophorus filius Scotiae
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