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Grade Opinions For This (Sad) 1891-CC Morgan

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 Posted 12/01/2023  1:52 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It appears to be a counterfeit.
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 Posted 12/01/2023  2:43 pm  Show Profile   Check Brandmeister's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Brandmeister to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The PCGS page for that number does say "This coin features NFC anti-counterfeiting technology. Tap a NFC enabled device to the front of the label to further verify authenticity."

So I guess it should be straightforward to verify that the slab is legit?
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 Posted 12/01/2023  3:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slider23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Does that mean that this particular holder is in a registry set already?


Yes, coins in registry sets have to be deleted by the owner or by PCGS on request by the new owner when the coin is sold. This makes no sense. Why would the auction house put this coin into a registry set? Maybe the auction house sold this coin and it was returned for a refund. The buyer could have entered the coin into a registry set.
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 Posted 12/01/2023  4:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slider23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Can you get a close up photo of the CC on reverse? The near date position matches the VAM 6, but the CC appears to be off.
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Can you get a close up photo of the CC on reverse? The near date position matches the VAM 6, but the CC appears to be off.


The coin is in transit. I'll see if I can get a passable photo when she arrives.
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 Posted 12/01/2023  5:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I stand by my opinion that this is a fake coin.

It may be a real holder, but I believe that the coin in the holder is fake. PCGS does make mistakes.
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 Posted 12/01/2023  5:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slider23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Genuine 91 CC VAM 6
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OP Example
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VAM 4 Genuine
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 Posted 12/02/2023  11:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add burfle23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bar code scanned as:

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so not the latest bad slabs we have seen recently.
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 Posted 12/02/2023  11:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismatic student to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


Gotta give it to the sleuths on this forum. Can spot a fake from a mile away and aren't swayed by the trappings of a plastic rectangle and a piece of paper.
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The barcode appears to have the cert number. What is wrong with the barcode?

I ran a barcode from a 1891 CC PCGS AU50 same age holder with NFC anti-counterfeiting technology.
Cert #: 7206.50/48383938
Barcode: 10000072061050048483938

It appears to have the same format as the OP example with PCGS #, grade, and cert #.
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We're both saying that it scans correctly. I get the same result. There are fake slabs with correct barcodes so we still can't rule it out. See what you think once you get it.
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Lot's of opinions on both sides here. When she shows up, I'll try to get decent photos (not my strong suite) and take it to my buddy at the LCS for xrf scan. I'm not sure where to scan the NFC gizmo.

Thanks, everyone, for your attention to this item.

Edit: so far, split consensus over on VamWorld board.
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I use this from VAMWorld; maybe missing a reverse, cause this one doesn't appear to match even fuzzy...

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 Posted 12/02/2023  3:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add burfle23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Comparison to a known counterfeit '91-CC:

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Looks closest to VAM4 to my eyes. http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.c...891-CC_VAM-4
In hand maybe you can see the die markers and the slight C/C.
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