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Philippines 1918 S 50 Centavos Counterfeit Error

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 Posted 04/08/2009  12:24 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add maria-ozawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I think it is a counterfeit US Philippines. Look at the "I" on Obv.

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 Posted 04/08/2009  06:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add manila galleon trade to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks authentic to me.
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Very interesting and definately counterfeit, albeit from the looks, a contemporary counterfeit. The edge is terrible! even the reeded part doesn't match the reeding on U.S. made Half Dollars. Is this coin cast or struck? I don't know what the guy was trying to do on the edge, but it was obviously a failure. Anyway, a good call and a blatant fake. I have a couple U.S. Philippine counterfeits and they are equally bad. ~ Jim
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 Posted 04/08/2009  09:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like a partial collar to me. I don't see anything that makes me think it's fake. Why would someone make a coin that was worth silver melt?
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and who says it's .900 fine Silver? These coins were made by the U.S. Government to exacting standards coop. Now tell me, how many Walking Liberty half dollars have a reeded edge that looks like that? It's definately not a partial collar, and the reeding is obviously crudely done. Just check your pocket change coop, it's the same reeding used on the U.S. Philippine coins. Now compare that Quarter to the reeding on this fake, it's not even close. ~ Jim
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So according to you reasoning then, this a fake dime because if has a partial rim on it?

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Partial rims are errors. The collar is not fully on the edge of the coin. This happens.
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I don't know what the guy was trying to do on the edge, but it was obviously a failure

As Coop said, it is a partial collar strike, specifically a tilted partial collar.

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and who says it's .900 fine Silver?

Why would it be 90% silver and what does it have to do with a Walking Liberty 50c? The Philippines 50 Centavos is only .750 fineness, they did not use US half dollar planchets so the comparison is not valid.

An accurate weight should determine whether it is genuine or not, the real deal weighs 10 grams
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04/08/2009 12:16 pm
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Here's a test to show if it is silver or not. Don't cost much at all. Take a single layer of tissue paper/toilet paper will work also. Place a silver coin on the left and an unknown coin on the right.

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If one coin is silver and the other just a clad it will look like the above example. If both are silver then both will be white colored through the paper. If both are white chances are that it is the real thing and not something counterfeited.
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But the "I" on Obv is not as usual ,isn't it?Has anyone saw this kind of coin before?
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What is wrong with the I? There are 4 I's on the obv.
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I have a couple U.S. Philippine counterfeits and they are equally bad


Can you put some pictures. The only fake I have seen in the US Philippines is the one peso common date and the rare 1906s. Other denominations are not that common.
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As others have said, it looks like a partial collar error. The "dip" at the top of the first "I" in PHILLIPINES, would be caused by metal flow associated with the modest expansion of the obverse face.
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Nasty scratch on the obverse, but it is a silver coin.
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