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Picked this up at auction last week. Details-Cleaned-AU. Can someone help me with pointers on the wear? Cheek dings? I just don't see how this isn't UNC but might be a little biased. Scratches in front of chin on holder. Thanks. Pics off GC site. I can take some under scope if need be.   |
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Bedrock of the Community
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All of the scratches in the left obverse field are on the holder, is that right?
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01/14/2024 11:58 am
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Ya CF, even that deeper looking one running north/south between chin and ding (or die chip). I'll get it under scope for some hopefully better shots - putting a little mineral oil on holder should help. It is what it is but I'm finding it hard to see justification for an AU call on this one. More so after running thru all PhotoGrade samples - just don't see it.
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01/14/2024 12:09 pm
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I don't see any wear either. Love the clashes and bisecting die crack. Not sure about the originality of surfaces, but I would sure be happy with that at an AU details price.
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What is with the stain to the right of CENT? John1  |
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Love the clashes Can't help so much with grading, but the die clashes are really nice on this one. "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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Bedrock of the Community
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There is some light friction so I'd be at AU-58details, older cleaning.
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Older cleaning I could see, but those first two images sure look like an uncirculated coin to me.
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Honestly thrilled either way - crisper than expected. Paid low EF price for an AU/UNC details that is at best a questionable AU call. Bonus for rotation, bisecting die cracks, and the clashes. Quote:
What is with the stain to the right of CENT? Not sure John. Under scope it looks like unaffected copper so maybe a bit of surface build-up that was removed in cleaning. Similar in appearance to date area - just more concentrated. |
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Could be just the lighting but in the first obverse picture there appears to be some rub from the forehead to the earlobe, chin and jaw area. I love the boldness of the stars! On the reverse the appears to be some rub to some of the leaves. If those scratches are on the holder as you claim, I can see AU-58.
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Bedrock of the Community
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nice photos DOCC. the only issue is that when you are talking a higher end AU coin only the highest points of some of the devices might show some wear. in this case, there is just a tad too much glare on those high points to determine that. the only way to tell is to kill any overhead light or have the coin in hand where it can be rotated.
no doubt the coin was cleaned though. so AU details or UNC details.
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Did not see the lips and chin clash before - sweet addition. Rotation is 15%  |
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This appears to be a super slider, either AU-58 or low MS tops.
The red color around the date is suspect of an old dipping or color alteration. The color is likely second hand and slightly unnatural which is what PCGS may have seen.
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I'm at AU58 sharpness, just a faint trace of rub. Yeah, it's been recolored, but it doesn't look half bad.
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thx all, happy with the pick up for sure. lots going on with it. panzaldi - you seem to have the TPG gig nailed down. Quick q on details: when you have something like this with a cleaning and color alteration (lets just say confirmed alteration), how do they make the decision on which gets tagged? I've never see a coin marked with both. I guess they can't based on their numbering system e.g. 92 but do you know how they determine which takes precedence when multiple issues are present? the worst offender? |
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