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VF30 details, cleaned
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Agree with VF-30 detail. The red color around stars and devices slightly resembles original red mint luster but shouldn't fool any experienced collector. This appearance is the result of some kind of cleaning.
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Confused by the details comment. Does that mean the it was cleaned like in a deliberate fashion? Opposed to cleaning the whole coin?
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Will those who suggest cleaning please be more specific.
Edited by Coinfrog
01/26/2024 9:05 pm
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It's most definitely cleaned. You don't see bright red copper on a low VF large cent.
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Will those who suggest cleaning please be more specific. Bright color on a VF coin, has the look of either being plated or polished. Not a natural color. |
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I still don't understand. If polished why just those sections? I'd think the opposite that the high points would be that way and the low points dark?
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It was cleaned or altered a number of years ago. The bright color is in the protected areas.
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I still don't understand and that kinda conflicts with what others are saying. If the protected areas are originally luster then why would one say you wouldn't see red on a vf coin? I don't have issues when more experienced folks explain things to me but so far nothing has made sense to me about this coin except consistency of the grade.
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Copper darkens naturally with circulation and wear as handling removes the bright layer of shiny red, interactions with hand oils and environment (atmosphere) transition it from red, to red-brown, to brown. The only time you will ever see this bright red splotch color pattern on a late date US Large Cent below AU is if the coin has been chemically cleaned, such as by dipping or copper polish. It is highly unnatural and almost always indicative of altered surfaces. It can also occur if the coin was plated with something or had plating removed. The "halo effects" around the stars, date, around the devices and bust, etc. are dead giveaways. It is difficult to remove whatever substance was used to clean the coin from the protected areas, so it tends to remain there, preventing natural retoning from occurring over time. Consensus is that this is a low VF coin with altered surfaces, so I'm not sure what exactly isn't clear. Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis Edited by paralyse
01/27/2024 12:05 am
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With all do respect, that's really the first explanation. So is that what detailed means? Secondly dipping and cleaning can often infer different things to different people and my take away is dipped. I can look at the coin under a loupe however at the moment I don't see any signs from any form of friction. Lastly not sure what you mean consensus. Seemed like some said it was VF 30 specifically some low and some just vf.
So if something was clear then I guess it must bother you being redundant. Not to single out anyone either but it seems I wasn't the only one maybe suggestioning more specifics.
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Double J, the consensus is that the coin was cleaned at some point in time, regardless of the grade. Anything, either chemically or mechanically, that removes mental is considered cleaning. Dipping in a chemical like eZest removes surface metal and brightens coins by removing the old metal surface layer exposing fresh bright metal. Chemicals don't leave evidence of friction. Using a pencil eraser, Brillo pad, steel wool, or a polishing wheel all remove metal via friction
In regard to people calling it "details," yes that is in reference to the cleaning. There are many things that can "details" a coin. Some of those things are cleaning, post mint damage from circulation, tooling, artificial toning, etc.
A coin that is "details" has less value in the market place.
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