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Hi, everyone! Bear with me, as I'm still a relative novice in this community. I've been studying this coin, comparing to photo after photo of doubled dies vs. Machine Doubling vs. Die Deterioration, and I feel I'm moving more quickly toward insanity than toward any definitive answer. So, I figured it was time to ask the experts! What I can identify, is a die crack. It is not the more well-known "wounded eagle" die crack, but very similar. There is an odd rounded corner area at one end of the crack, though, that has me a little confused (see photo). As for the doubling, which can be seen in various places on both the obverse and reverse, I could use some help. There are some areas where I could see tripled images, which leads me to the question: is it possible to have a doubled die error and DDD on the same coin? Logically, I don't see why that wouldn't be possible; but, I'm not sure that's what is happening on this coin. Also, there is possibly a die chip near the end of the beak? Or maybe some type of doubling? Again, I'm at a loss. Any identifying information or explanation would be greatly appreciated! **sorry for including so many photos, but there is, seemingly, a lot going on!         |
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Bedrock of the Community
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Maybe it's a minor die break on the eagle's wing. It's definitely nothing significant.
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Bedrock of the Community
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New Member
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Yes, the line on the reverse is raised.  |
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Moderator
 United States
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The 'Doubling' you see her is going in many different directions - that cannot happen of true doubled dies. This is MD combined with DDD. |
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New Member
United States
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I also forgot to include this area. Would this be a small die chip?  |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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The raised line on the reverse could be a die scratch - not sure if this is a known variety or not. Also - nice pictures!
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Pillar of the Community
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You has MD in both forms: mechanical Doublling and Machine Doublling. Sorry no Die Small Chip.
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Forum Dad
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You has MD in both forms: mechanical Doublling and Machine Doublling. Please explain the difference. I've always considered them synonyms for encompassing the many finer types like ejection, slide, push, etc. I mean mechanical basically means the operation of a machine. Machines are mechanical. So do the pros at Error-Ref.... https://www.error-ref.com/machine-doubling/ |
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@ bobby131313 said:
Please explain the difference. I've always considered them synonyms for encompassing the many finer types like ejection, slide, push, etc. I mean mechanical basically means the operation of a machine. Machines are mechanical. Ok I will explain and you can find those worth less doubling 5 in number (I will present all 5): From many years we like to categorise simply MD. But what could be inside this MD? 1. Machine Doublling or better say Strike Doubbling in different forms as sub-categories. 2. Mechanical Doubbling basic more on Reverse it is ejection Doubbling 3. DDD Double Die Deterioration4. Abrassion Doubling5. Second Strike Doubbling, this is more on proof coins, but was find also on business strike. Mike named different as I present which denomination must be took. I just explained. So it is a difference between Strike Doubbling and Ejection Doubbling.Edited by silviosi
02/16/2024 6:27 pm
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Forum Dad
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Wow. Yeah, you're probably right and ALL the Wortld experts (Mike Diamond, Robert (BJ) Neff, Jason Cuvelier, Fred Weinberg, Jon Sullivan, and J.C. Stevens) are all wrong.  Please stop making stuff up. Quote:
So it is a difference between Strike Doubbling and Ejection Doubbling. Where did I say there was? You really need to knock this crap off, it's been happening for years. Stating misinformation as fact. https://www.error-ref.com/machine-doubling/ Machine doubling has many synonyms: mechanical doubling, machine doubling damage, machine damage doubling, ejection doubling, shift doubling, and strike doubling. |
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o boy - you two.. |
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Forum Dad
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o boy - you two.. It's getting very annoying between the misinformation and the nastiness complaints. |
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It's getting very annoying between the misinformation and the nastiness complaints. Well said, spot on.... |
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This will be my last answer to you ever: Quote:
J.T. Stanton:
I feel that "Machine" or "Mechanical" doubling can be confusing, as neither term indicates in which part of the minting process this happens. Either of those terms could refer to the coin counters at the end of the process! I never say that MD it is not correct from the generic point of view. Me I like to go more deeper. Do not matter this, we use generic MD. Any ways, for me doubling of the Hammer and the doubling of the Anvil are not same. Seem that are no more technical debates here. Good luck to all! |
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Posted 02/15/2024 07:30 am
