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So Help Please! Is This Some Error Or Cleaning (2007 Cent)

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 Posted 02/23/2024  09:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There are many examples of zinc cents suffering from solid-state diffusion on ebay. I notice that in some, plating blisters extend from the copper areas into the zinc-colored areas. This would be impossible in an incomplete plating error.
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Couldn't the pressure and heat generated by the minting press be responsible? Maybe factors such as thin copper plating, heat/friction from die use, and convex dies produce these bulls-eye effects?
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All interesting suggestions, CoinHi. Methinks we have the makings of another column. Gotta do some more research though, and hopefully get some examples under my microscope.
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 Posted 02/23/2024  12:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tacc to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very interesting discussion. I do have a few 1990's LMC's that look like Cujohn's, that I had set aside for future reference.
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@mikediamond ... PLEASE don't put those into circulation ... they'll end up on ebay as " $10,000 valuable errors I've never seen before..."
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Mike D,

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Mike, I would be glad to send you 20 of the better ones. I pulled them out again I have 2 rolls of them in various stages. My thought on them is that they didn't get completely plated. The center plating ended up being too thin, then when they were struck the thin plating fell off.
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I've seen a number of examples of cracking, flaking, and peeling copper plating and they look nothing like this. But it's always useful to consider alternative hypotheses.
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Here's an instructive example of solid-state diffusion. https://www.ebay.com/itm/375275381314. On the obverse, you can see that the plating irregularities seen in the normal copper plating continue unbroken into the zinc-colored area. This would be impossible in a case of incomplete plating and equally impossible in a case of plating that has flaked off after the strike. I'm now rather partial to CoinHi's hypothesis, that the heat generated by the strike, perhaps combined with unusually thin plating, leads zinc atoms to penetrate the copper plating or for copper atoms to sink down into the underlying zinc. I'll have to read more on solid-state diffusion to see which direction of migration is more likely.
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 Posted 02/24/2024  5:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHI to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's always fun to chime in on a mystery and I believe this off-center example could provide some clues to solving this one. Sorry for the photo quality but this was a sold listing on ebay a few weeks ago. Here we see the unstruck portion of the coin with copper plating largely intact while the struck portion is showing the copper plating largely dissolved or diffused. It would seem the strike itself here is responsible for the partial plating and could support my hypothesis.


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"Pride is yoked with callous behavior, as humility is with compassion." St. Gregory Palamas

Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254
Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCL
Struck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burr
Floating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978


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This may constitute confirmatory evidence of solid-state diffusion. However, it's also possible that the copper plating has simply darkened/blackened over time. You see this sometimes in die caps, where the working face gradually changes over the years from a copper color to a dark gray or black color. I also don't like the look of this cent, as it appears to have a slightly rough surface texture on both its struck and unstruck portions. Perhaps it was subjected to some mild sandblasting, which exposed the zinc on the struck tab. I find it to be an ambiguous specimen.
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 Posted 03/04/2024  09:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHI to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
OK, here's another current ebay listing which has a better photo.

So could it be that the copper plating was improperly thin when the coin was struck and then environmental oxidation discolors the zinc core in time after it leaves the mint? The area between IGWT and the unstruck portion was likely showing the zinc core immediately upon impact is my guess.

Perhaps we don't see the bulls-eye pattern since the the off-center strike creates uneven or unusual pressure on the planchet when struck.


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"Pride is yoked with callous behavior, as humility is with compassion." St. Gregory Palamas

Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254
Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCL
Struck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burr
Floating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978


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 Posted 03/04/2024  12:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In this case, it's hard for me to determine which gray areas represent zinc that was exposed at the moment of the strike versus areas that changed color and darkened well after the strike. I suspect it's a mixture of both.
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 Posted 03/15/2024  3:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My article on zinc cents affected by solid-state diffusion is now out in the latest online edition of Coin World (April 1).
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 Posted 03/15/2024  5:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cujohn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Mike.
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