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1889 CC Morgan Grading Opinions

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 Posted 02/28/2024  10:46 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add UnimpossibIe to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello all! Just getting ready to submit this one to a TPG and wanted some opinions on grading and whether to acetone or not. Let me know what you think, thanks!

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 Posted 02/28/2024  11:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismatic student to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
VF35. No call on authenticity. Very nice!
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 Posted 02/28/2024  11:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If genuine (not my field), I'd say EF-45.
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 Posted 02/28/2024  11:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've got the fourth edition VAM catalog and don't see any die varieties with this CC configuration, left C higher than the right.
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If I was submitting to a TPG, I would not use Acetone as I would want the coin to look original and not messed with. The coin does not need an Acetone bath to improve appearance. There is a deep scratch next to the CC, and you do not want to give the TPG's anything else that could lead to a details grade.
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 Posted 02/28/2024  11:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add UnimpossibIe to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
IndianGoldEagle I Believe that it's a VAM-5A Far Date, Dropped C, Die Breaks O-E.

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I've got the fourth edition VAM catalog and don't see any die varieties with this CC configuration, left C higher than the right.

It looks like to me the 1889-CC VAM-5A Far Date, Dropped C, Die Breaks O-E

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 Posted 02/28/2024  11:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add UnimpossibIe to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I was thinking the same Slider23. It's a little dirty but I think it still has decent eye appeal.
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 Posted 02/28/2024  11:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add UnimpossibIe to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@numismatic student - May I ask what you're seeing that has you at VF instead of XF?
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 Posted 02/28/2024  12:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks guys, that's why you have to keep updating your library.
Looks like an EF-45 coin to me.
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I think that it could be an XF coin. For XF I expected some traces of luster in well protected areas of the devices, especially this being an untoned coin. Having said that, key date circulating Morgans occupy <0.001% of the coins I normally grade so take that with a grain of salt. It is a wonderful looking coin regardless of what anyone says.
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THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
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XF40. maybe an old cleaning. hopefully she grades straight. I think they are a little more lenient on keys
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 Posted 02/28/2024  1:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add UnimpossibIe to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks numismatic student, that's just the kind of feedback I was after. I appreciate all opinions, just wanted to know your reasoning so I can add it to my own
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I'm at XF-40 though color looks off to straight grade but maybe just the pics
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XF45, cleaned

Since this is a key date it's far more likely to straight grade.

Nice VAM to boot!
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 Posted 02/28/2024  2:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add UnimpossibIe to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@paralyse (and others) - Do you think a particular TPG (other than ICG) would be more likely to give it a straight grade than others? I also believe it's been cleaned, btw. It's not bad overall, but the cheek does seem to show it in my opinion.
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