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numismatic student Bedrock of the Community United States 11888 Posts	Posted 04/05/2024 11:57 pm I thought that the markers at the front and back of liberty were a little tougher to see in your images, but a close look under magnification showed that they are there and in the correct location. To me it looks like the counterfeit referenced by NGC but that and $7 will get you a cup of coffee these days, maybe. IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com Edited by numismatic student 04/05/2024 11:59 pm Report this Post to the Staff
burfle23 Pillar of the Community United States 517 Posts	Posted 04/06/2024 05:15 am Even with my imagination these do not appear the same to my eyes; close though for sure... They do appear to match on the 2 NGC subject examples: I would have thought this a good marker as well... I was able to acquire this one and should have it in hand for closer inspection next week. Edited by burfle23 04/06/2024 05:55 am Report this Post to the Staff
Dearborn Moderator United States 96112 Posts	Posted 04/06/2024 09:10 am Thanks for posting the new images - I'm no expert on these so I'll wait for the ones in the know to respond here. Collecting since 1972. Learning from then on "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." - Benjamin Franklin 7070 type set coin count: 51/76 Uncirculated American Silver Eagles My American Silver Eagle Proof Collection Sacagawea Dollars Innovation Dollars Eisenhower-Dollars Kennedy-Half Dollars Washington-Quarters Roosevelt-Dimes Buffalo-Nickels 1938-2005 Jefferson-Nickels Lincoln-Cents Report this Post to the Staff
realeswatcher Pillar of the Community United States 1962 Posts	Posted 04/06/2024 10:36 am Indisputably matching depression on all three, clear in the respective pics: Edited by realeswatcher 04/06/2024 10:38 am Report this Post to the Staff
burfle23 Pillar of the Community United States 517 Posts	Posted 04/19/2024 10:54 am Coin is in hand; scratches do NOT match: Report this Post to the Staff
Slider23 Pillar of the Community United States 4469 Posts	Posted 04/19/2024 11:39 am Quote: Coin is in hand; scratches do NOT match: Are you convinced the coin is a counterfeit after viewing in hand? Report this Post to the Staff
burfle23 Pillar of the Community United States 517 Posts	Posted 04/19/2024 4:40 pm Slider23, I am still reviewing and comparing to a genuine example. There are surface lumps on this one I do not like; also took some edge images. I will say it has some of the nicest toning I have seen on a fake. Report this Post to the Staff
apcol258 Valued Member United States 202 Posts	Posted 04/19/2024 6:14 pm If it were genuine, what could explain the surface lumps? A rusted die? Report this Post to the Staff
burfle23 Pillar of the Community United States 517 Posts	Posted 04/26/2024 11:44 am Back from my long-time local coin shop; "coin" tested at 98% silver. Report this Post to the Staff
realeswatcher Pillar of the Community United States 1962 Posts	Posted 04/26/2024 2:41 pm Quote: Coin is in hand; scratches do NOT match But this still does... Report this Post to the Staff
realeswatcher Pillar of the Community United States 1962 Posts	Posted 04/26/2024 2:58 pm Some better pics/additional definite examples of the NGC article fake would be helpful to assess what sort of artificial handling, die touch-up, etc. is going on here. Burfle (or others), have you seen/found any others? Regardless, it should be noted that this is a fairly deceptive apparent fake and relying on matching markers to a known fake is essentially taking the easy way out when trying to authenticate. And on the flip side, see how a little bit of die touch-up/contact marks to mask/change flaws can sow seeds of doubt when comparing? All part of why there's always been a debate about just how specifically observed "tells" should be discussed publicly... Report this Post to the Staff
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