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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2001 Posts |
Devices look soft and a bit grainy. Perhaps the weight or measurements were off or perhaps XRF indicated not genuine.
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Valued Member
United States
263 Posts |
The side should be flat on these right? And I think there's supposed to be 'in god we trust' or similar moto engraved in the side as well. My boss had a few of these and they were counterfeit, looked exactly like yours. But no expert on this, far from it. That was my only experience with Trade dollars. |
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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A pretty decent counterfeit. Type 2 obverse and reverse, which is fine. I'd be suspicious of the raised bumps below the arm, the fused denticles on the obverse in the upper right and near the date, and the uneven reeding. Assuming the weight is correct, this would likely fool a lot of people. It's a good example of why it's never a good idea to buy a raw trade dollar—there are too many good fakes out there.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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The first thing that pops out is reeds on the edge are not uniform. Raised bumps in the field under Liberty's arm. Better than average casting but still counterfeit.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
11880 Posts |
https://www.ngccoin.com/news/article/11131/NGC wrote an article about this specific counterfeit. There are 3 obverse markers that seem to match exactly the attributes of this coin. Without knowing about these markers as indicative of a known counterfeit, I would have been hard pressed to identify this one as not genuine.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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You guys were right on with the issues on the coin and NS confirmed the example is a counterfeit with the 3 tells on the obverse. Look at the reverse rim would the seam that goes around most of the reverse be a casting seam to join both sides together?
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
517 Posts |
I am also aware of NGC's article, but wasn't convinced the marks matched:  I believe their own article may have impacted their decision. Edited by burfle23
04/05/2024 5:25 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Bit over my hed, but enjoying the discussion.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
4468 Posts |
Burfle23, your correct the marks are not a match. Lesson learned on that one that a side by side comparison is a must.
Edited by Slider23
04/05/2024 4:52 pm
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Valued Member
United States
202 Posts |
What are the weight and dimensions? Where did you acquire this coin? Have you performed a specific gravity test? The more information you can provide, the better we can help you.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
517 Posts |
I do not have the coin in hand but am trying to acquire it. Weight as imaged:  |
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Moderator
 United States
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well this coin is a bit underweight - it should weigh 419.76 grains or 27.2g
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
21786 Posts |
They should have given a basic general reason why it failed to slab, without giving any of their detection secrets away.
I find that somewhat disappointing.
Some of us are offering some detailed reasons why, and that is good,
but why can't NGC offer a basic general reason?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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well this coin is a bit underweight - it should weigh 419.76 grains or 27.2g It's only 0.4% underweight, well within tolerance. |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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The raised bumps in the obverse fields do not look good. The rim photo shows the coin as being too thick but that might be just the angle. Getting the weight correct means some are too thick. There are questionable details on the devices as well.
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Posted 04/05/2024 11:12 am
