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Edited by Blastenpene4
04/30/2024 7:45 pm
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I believe it is a die crack, or more accurately a Retained Cud. Suffering from bust half fever. Want to learn how to attribute early half dollars by die variety? Click Here: http://goccf.com/t/434955Shoot me a PM if you are looking to sell bust halves. |
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In the shape of the top of an 8?
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Bedrock of the Community
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Interesting. Over my head.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Looks like damage done to the obverse die before the coin was struck.
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It's pretty odd. Also have the dot to the right of the "5." I'm thinking the lines under the "ES" of "STATES" are some sort of die polishing lines. Doesn't look like damage. It's just an unusual coin to my eyes. Probably not much value, but fun to try to figure out.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Very cool.  Errers and Varietys.
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clashes are very common in this series as is strike issues. I agree with your assessment of a weakly struck obv and reverse. finding fully defined vertical bars on the reverse is the goal. I looked a long time to find a nicely struck example with full verticals. imo, strike issues should be considered when grading these. do TPG's consider it?  that said, I'm looking at lettering and dates sharpness to help with the grade. you also have to consider that when the coin was struck that one area may be stronger than another. just look at the leaves, some are fully defined and others almost flat increasing the difficulty in grading it. you can typically see this occurring in the denticles also, you can see this K3-K7 reverse denticles there are quite a few hairlines across the cheek and some across the verticals. AU58 or this coin could grade low MS. if its MS i'd say MS62. I'm actually leaning towards the MS side. the lighting isn't the best to see wear on the higher points. there are 3 things that could have happened at the date 1. a die chip 2. a chip in the planchet 3. something like a piece of metal shaving fell on the planchet as it was being struck |
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Rotated off-center clash, common for the date (and the series) but this one is very prominent.
Looks like displaced metal from a die break under and to the right of the 8 was struck into the coin's surface below the 6, making this a sort of strike-through, and leaving a void in the coin where the displaced metal originated.
You can see quite heavy die file lines just to the left of the point of the headband and left of the bust.
The central strike weakness on the reverse and obverse is due to clashing and was exacerbated by the Mint's efforts to clean up the reverse die following the clash incident by heavy polishing.
I'd grade it MS62
Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis Edited by paralyse
05/01/2024 1:51 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
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Here is an example of my own, an 1865 (PCGS MS63) The dies were rotated 180 degrees (medal turn orientation) and then clashed. Note the central strike weakness on the reverse (flat lines in III) and obverse (flat hair and ear) that resulted from the clash.   Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis |
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Well it is interesting to say the least.
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I pulled the trigger for $43 delivered. Just too odd to pass up.
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Bedrock of the Community
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I would have bought it all day long at $43.
Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis |
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I'll see if I can get better pictures when it arrives. I felt like the dealer was just about giving it away. Maybe he thought that was wear and not a weak strike.
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In the shape of the top of an 8? Yes. Not an error, just a small Retained Cud as the die continued to a terminal state. Here is a slightly earlier state, but the cracks match perfectly:  Suffering from bust half fever. Want to learn how to attribute early half dollars by die variety? Click Here: http://goccf.com/t/434955Shoot me a PM if you are looking to sell bust halves. |
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Grade wise, I would wager a guess at AU details. Looks a little wipey. The clashes and LDS are neat nonetheless.
Suffering from bust half fever. Want to learn how to attribute early half dollars by die variety? Click Here: http://goccf.com/t/434955Shoot me a PM if you are looking to sell bust halves. |
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Posted 04/30/2024 7:36 pm
