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An 1876 Trade $ and an 1875-S Twenty Cent Piece I purchased raw came back from NGC slabbed, both MS-60, but both "CLEANED". I know updated price guides are available from PCGS and Numismedia, along with Coin World and Numismatic News. Here's my question... does anyone provide prices for cleaned coins in mint state so I can at least have an idea? TIA.

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No. Because there is no general consensus amongst coin collectors on how severely a bad cleaning (or any other cause of a details grade) affects the value. This is the reason why the TPGs don't award "net grades" for problem coins.

Some people really don't mind cleaned coins and will happily pay full or near-full price. There aren't many such people out there, but they're out there.

Some people loathe cleaned coins utterly and will refuse to pay anything above bullion/scrap value.

Lots of people fall somewhere in between those two extremes, though truthfully, that pendulum tilts well and truly towards the "bullion value" end of the spectrum. Most collectors will expect a steep discount if they're forced to buy a cleaned coin.
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allnewsanchor,

Your best bet would be to check ebay sold values for similar coins.
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Your best bet would be to check ebay sold values for similar coins.


I'd suggest using Great Collections as they tend to sell a lot of slabbed "cleaned" coins in addition to straight-grades. Their auction history is enormous. Same source can easily provide an average delta between the two. From images of the cleaned specimen you could assign a numeric grade for degree of cleaning to further isolate price deltas.
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an inclusive list for slabbed cleaned (details) coins - No. But as stated above, it is what ever the buyer is willing to pay to have such a coin in their collection.
I have bought a few (very few) slabbed/cleaned coins at greatly reduced price, then cracked them out for a Dansco album.
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Pics are a good place to start.



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Thanks for all the welcomes and answers. I'm efforting a clean (pun intended) photo of both coins and will post when and if I accomplish that.
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Not the best photo, but this will give you an idea. I had to crop them big time since I'm limited to 300Kb per photo. They don't look cleaned to me, but then again... I'm just a poor shnook who doesn't work for a TPG. And, my mistake, it's UNC Cleaned, not 60.
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You know, I have a few unslabbed type coins in AU/BU condition that I really enjoy looking at. It is possible that they may been subtly cleaned, but guess what? I don't wanna know. They look nice to me, and that's all I care about.
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Dopey me. NGC has much better photos of my coins than the ones I just took. Here are the links:
https://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/.../NGCDetails/

https://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/.../NGCDetails/
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Must admit they doon't look cleaned to me in these NGC images.
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Must admit they doon't look cleaned to me in these NGC images.
I agree.

Pricing on details graded coins is going to be difficult to pin down. You really do not know until you go offer it for sale.

For what it is worth, if I still needed them and were buying those to put in my Dansco, I would not expect a steep discount for the details grade. I do not see why you would have to take that much of a hit.
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In my humble opinion
The values of all "Details" coins are based on eye appeal and "how scarce is the coin". That Trade dollar is really nice for a "details" graded coin. I would think you could get close to full value on it.
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That is a tough grade on the 1876 Trade dollar compared to some of the garbage that I have seen NGC straight grade. My guess your coin value is $700 to $800. The 1876 Trade dollar below sold in Jan 2024 at Great Collections for $815 with buyer's fee.

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