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Here are a pair of 1475-dated coins from Cleve. The first is a Half Groschen (1.1 g and 21 mm) and the second is a Groschen (1.9 g and 24 mm). I love those early Roman-numeral dates that devote a whole circle of the legend to just listing out the date (plus "Anno Domini" which is also essentially part of the date). I wonder what's the most recent issue that worked like that - I think there just might be a few 16th century examples (...though they'd have to be creative, because MD is much shorter than MCCCC*), but IIRC all the modern-ish cases of Roman numeral dates don't take up that much space? We've now gotten through a whole quarter of the 15th century without missing any dates! I think there's about another decade to go before we start running into areas where actually-dated coins are much scarcer. *) AFAIK for some reason apparently no one went with MCD, which would be the canonical representation of 14 hundreds in modern Roman numerals |
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Here are a pair of 1475-dated coins from Cleve. That second one really looks super! For 1474 I have a briquet of the County of Flanders:   1474 was the year of Charles the Bold's coinage reform that created those briquets and double briquets from Brabant and Flanders we've seen for the last week, the first dated coins from those two places. So, one small factor contributing to all those 1475s is that would have been the first full year of production of those types, and they come in pairs (double briquet for both Brabant and Flanders, briquet from both places, too). But it looks like that Saxony 1/2 groschen must have been struck in even larger numbers than the Low Countries types. Edited by tdziemia
11/06/2024 04:53 am
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For 1474 I have a briquet of the County of Flanders: Very nice!  |
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Thanks for the update @ttkoo! Very interesting.
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Once again, here is a relation to @tdz's coin for today. Rather than a sibling, it is more of a cousin as mine was minted in Brabant:   "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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Once again, here is a relation to @tdz's coin for today. Rather than a sibling, it is more of a cousin as mine was minted in Brabant: Excellent! |
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I wonder what's the most recent issue that worked like that You're not the only person who's wondered that! There's a site dedicated to early dated European coins, and he has a page for "early dated firsts," including late uses of roman numerals: http://medievalcoinage.com/earlydated/index.htm |
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You're not the only person who's wondered that! There's a site dedicated to early dated European coins, and he has a page for "early dated firsts," including late uses of roman numerals Thanks for the reference! Looks like the last ones were the körtlings of Northeim and Göttingen, which got around the "huh MD is kinda short" problem by spelling it MCCCCC. (Northeim's later, post-1550, issues manage to use up a whole circle for the date even without Roman numerals by spelling out ANNO DOMINI in full. It looks like variants of that version went on, in various places, for a lot longer than this; I have a coin in my collection where the full legend on one of the sides is "ANNO 1684".) |
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This Styrian Achter is dated 1473:   "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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This Styrian Achter is dated 1473: Excellent! |
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A rather rough 1473 half stuiver of the Bishopric of Utrecht struck in Deventer:   The Roman numerals LXXIII between 9:00 and 12:00 are mostly readable. Edited by tdziemia
11/07/2024 09:28 am
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Very nice, tdziemia! Edited by NumisRob
11/07/2024 12:48 pm
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Nice examples! |
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1472-dated Stuiver from Deventer:   "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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1472-dated Stuiver from Deventer: This one is very nice! |
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