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Is There A Scarcity Of 2024 Nickels?

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 Posted 08/20/2024  10:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Old Codger NJ to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I did not check the mintage output when I posed the question. To make it more odd, considering the low numbers, pennies showed up early this year and are plentiful here near the Philly mint. Dimes just appeared last month around here about last month.. Are there numbers for the Denver mint?
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 Posted 08/21/2024  10:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I've seen a few here in the eastern U.S., including a D, which is unusual so early in the year.
Very nice!
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 Posted 08/21/2024  10:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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2009 was the depth of the Great Recession. Scares me a bit seeing the mintages drop this much.
I believe it has more to do with our collective move to using cash less often than we have in the past. The pandemic accelerated this move. I can count on one hand the times I have pulled cash from an ATM since March 2020. I used to do it at least once a month, now I seem to only do it before a coin show (twice a year).
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 Posted 08/22/2024  12:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DoubleEagle20 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The past few were very high mintages. Jbuck. My feeling is that like 2009, people are raiding their piggy banks and coffee cans in order to make ends meet. The more coins that come back into banks, the less they need to order from the Federal Reserve.

We will know for sure when we get Treasury yield curve uninversion in about 2-3 months.
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The past few were very high mintages.
I suspect they ran their normal high because the Fed did not want to run out when normalcy resumed. They based their Mint orders on pre-pandemic demand, not realizing it was not returning with the restarted economy (people adapted to cashless). This further impacted the necessary reduction this year. Basically, the Fed vaults are at capacity, they did not order more.
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 Posted 08/22/2024  9:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add halfamind to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
U.S. population is about 3 times what it was 100 years ago, which is something to consider when thinking about relative rarity of a modern issue. 2009 nickels and dimes, along with some of early ATB Quarters, certainly captured our attention; too early to know if any 2024 issues will do the same.
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New nickels were very scarce in my area (Los Angeles) last year as well. I found over 60 new coins in change in 2023 and only one was a nickel.

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New nickels were very scarce in my area (Los Angeles) last year as well. I found over 60 new coins in change in 2023 and only one was a nickel.
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 Posted 08/23/2024  09:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SaturnD51 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Everyone is right the mint did not produce very many 2024 Jefferson nickels. Last three months they did not put up any production figures for nickels.
About 3 months ago I bought two rolls of 2024-P Jefferson nickels. I am sitting on them because prices are $50.00 plus for a roll. I bought them cheap enough before people caught on there were very low mintage for the nickels this year. Wish I would of bought rolls of the 2024-D because are scare. I haven't even found any in circulation yet. Probably will not.
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 Posted 08/23/2024  12:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tacc to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I do have over 100 various denomination coins from 2023, all from Denver of course. (still no 2024's)
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 Posted 08/25/2024  6:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinnewcomer1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
From what I hear from banks many are not ordering new coins. A few factors affect the lower than usual production of coinage and banks' behaviour this year:

a) The damaged coin exchange program the US Mint offered was suspended during COVID due to the lack of circulating change. They have not reinstated it to my knowledge.

b) Orders for coins were probably up during the depths of the COVID and soon afterwards due to businesses suffering from a lack of small coinage.

c) The combination of factors a and b now has produced a glut of coinage. So the US Mint has reduced its production. I only started to see a few 2024 Quarters then 2024 dimes and cents after April in the New York City area. Hard to come by any BU bank rolls of 2024 coinage this year. BUT unlike 2009 when the US mint was producing its Uncirculated sets in a satin finish, the ones up for sale at the end of this month in mint sets will have the same finish as circulating coinage (although the standard will be higher --- well hopefully). 2009 was rather unusual since the business strikes of all circulating coinage was ONLY available from bank rolls and change, the mint sets had the satin finish. This is partially true for the 2010 coins --- the mint sets had a satin finish and business strike for cent, nickel, dime could only be gotten from bank rolls and spare change. However, the quarters in business strike could be gotten from the America The Beautiful Brilliant Unc sets as 2010 was the first issue of these.

So no this isn't a sign of a recession but rather other factors. Also, unlike 2009, you can get sets of the business strike coinage from the mint sets to be released at the end of this month. So the recent uptick in price for rolls will drop. What WILL have a higher than normal premium is the 2024 Uncirculated Set. Why? It will be the easiest way to get all the coinage for 2024 with the harder to find ones in the set, and the PRODUCT limit is 190,000. This means if you don't get these you would have to amass a set either 1) very active coin roll searching and purchasing rolls of the Kennedy halves and Native American dolls OR seek from bank rolls the cent, dime and nickel AND then order rolls of American Womens' Quarters, Kennedy and Native American.

I can tell demand is high for the Unc sets as I was ready to increase my subscription order from 2 to 3 sets but the US Mint has already started processing my order Friday -- very early for a subscription in my experience. You can't order them now as they are in the "Remind Me" stage. The US Mint suspends orders temporarily to ensure all subscriptions are fulfilled AND then the remainder is up for sale.

Finally, I had increased the number of Unc sets ordered a few years ago as I noticed how mintages for these have been dropping - lower than the Silver and Clad proof sets. I attribute this to the major shift a few decades ago in numismatics - collectors are now three groups: a) purely bullion stackers, b) a mix of bullion stacking and select numismatic collecting, c) purely numismatic collectors. I am fine with this since mintages for Unc sets have been hovering around mid to late 1950's levels for several years and seem to be heading to lower levels.
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U.S. population is about 3 times what it was 100 years ago, which is something to consider when thinking about relative rarity of a modern issue.


It's more than that, it's also that the whole flow of coin circulation has changed.

Take the bus. Once upon a time, you put your coins in the fare box, it told the driver how much was dropped in and he made change from a metal dispenser on his hip, taking the change out of a tray and reloading the dispenser.

Coins circulated many times a day.

Dad had a tray on the dresser. He emptied his pocket each night and reloaded the pocket (change) in the morning.

Then the Bus driver making change was automated. You dropped your two quarters in the box and the machine dispensed your 15c in change. Safer as the driver wasn't trying to load the change dispenser on his hip on the drive.

Coins still circulated many times a day.

Eventually, the bus switched to "exact change only" and the money dropped into a vault opened at the depot each night. If you needed change, you bought something at the bodega on the corner, which made change from roll they broke open into the register.

The change from the Bus' vault was counted and sent to the bank, where it was recounted, wrapped, and sent out to bank customers (back to the bodega on the corner).

And instead of being used multiple times a day, the coin was used twice. As the size of the transaction increased (the bus fare always rises (a little-known novella by Ernest Hemingway)) people stopped carrying a pocket full of change and started saving it in a jar.

Fast forward, the bus line starts using tokens because they're more convenient than $1.50 in coins. You have to buy your tokens at a bank or the subway token booth, further concentrating the usage of coins. 10-for-a-paper-$20 not 10 individual $1.50 transactions.

The jar just sits there with fewer and fewer coin transactions generating additions to it. The coins exist, but they're not in commerce.

After a while, the CoinStar emerged as more convenient than counting yourself, wrapping, and taking to the bank. This returns some coins to their one-trip circulation (leading many of us to be surprised to find lots of older coins again in circulation!).

Over time, all of this combines to make a larger number of coins required because of less use and more time sitting in jars around the house.

The banks also stopped counting coins themselves, instead sending the coins upstream to the contracted coin terminals. (The banks don't have a centralized cash operation anymore, it's all contracted out to Guarda or Loomis or ). A single central reserve is more efficient. The share of coins in the jar (technically in circulation but not used) goes up.

Even later, the bus goes card only as does most other transactions, meaning almost no demand for coins.

Come the pandemic and everybody (not just starving college students paying the pizza guy) digs in the couch (sorry JD) and empties that plus the jars back into circulation.

Some of this becomes the new post-p norm and the total held out of circulation is lower. The individual coins still make just one trip. Just a lot fewer of them.

And the orders for new coins finally trend down.
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