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Not many CCL's exist! Only 9 listed on Mad Die Clashes. Came across this counter clashed type ll 1969 S recently. The discovery coin has a great write up on Maddieclashes. The side by side images shows my coin on the left and discovery coin on the right. http://www.maddieclashes.com/cclt2-1c-1969s-01/    "We are all flawed, some MD and some PMD." NYI |
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Excellent find and nice side by side comparison! I have yet to find a type II counterclash.
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For me that's no easy to spot. Nice find congrats!  gigi2110
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My eyes are getting adjusted to the more subtle clashes. There was definitely something there that needed further analysis.
Thanks all...
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nice find - umm, what exactly is a counter clash?  |
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Cut and pasted from maddieclashes.com
TYPE I and TYPE II Counter Clashes
What are counter clashes?
Counter clashes are a form of die clash that leaves part of design element or at times a full design element transferred to another part of the die. Although both counter clashes seem the same, they are both very different.
TYPE I Counter clash. This type of clash must have at least two different sets of clashes to form. When the first set of clash marks are formed on the opposing die, they become part of that die's unintentional design. If a second clashing of the dies occurs, that unintentional design element or clash mark is then clashed back to the original die that it came from. However, the clash mark will be offset in position from the original design element that created the initial clash mark. That offset of position maybe small or great and is dependent on the relative position of the dies when they clashed in both instances.
TYPE II Counter clash. This type of clash is very rare due to the conditions needed to produce this type of clash. During the striking process, a piece of foreign material enters the striking chamber. This could be part of another die or any material that is hard enough to have a full or partial design element impressed into the surface of that material. So, the first striking of the foreign object leaves an impression of a design element. If that piece of debris is left in the striking chamber, the second strike may transfer that design element back onto the die face from the foreign object. Like the other counter clash, there could be an offset of positions between the original design element and the clashed design element left by the foreign object.
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Congrats on the finding.
Learned something new again.
These clash marks is pretty subtle, I would need to hold it in hand to examine.
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Very cool. That is a subtle mint error, and a real rarity.
Dearborn, a counter clash (type 1) results from back-to-back die clashes. The first clash transfers a negative onto the opposing die, and the second clash transfers the features back onto the die, but in the wrong position. The Caesar Rodney counter clash on the Delaware quarter is probably the best known, because it appeared in Strike It Rich with Pocket Change.
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Great find! Not an easy one to spot on a circulated example like this.
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Thanks Greg. High praise coming from the discoverer of 1 of the 9 CCL's Type ll's known to exist.
My 1969 S is an early die state with sharp features and is in near AU condition.
"We are all flawed, some MD and some PMD." NYI Edited by NY Islander
11/07/2024 01:41 am
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Nice find, John1  |
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thanks for the education NY Islander and Brand! |
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Posted 11/06/2024 6:05 pm
