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Copper Coin Shattering/Cracking

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Over the years I've seen a handful of copper coins with this cracking or shattering feature. There is an indication of an impact on the obverse of the coin. However, almost all impacts I've seen do not have this shattering feature on the opposite side of the coin. Do any of the experts know what conditions need to exist for this to be present? Is it temperature related?

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I would think that is more from the die than any impact on a coin. If the annealing process left a hard spot on a coin, I would expect the coin to chip out shortly after being struck and not have hairline cracks
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I did come across a quarter with a web-like surface. I was cool looking but washed away with acetone.
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Never noticed anything like this before.
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Is this a bronze Lincoln Cent or a zincoln, NY Islander?
The thermal coefficient of expansion (CTE) for zinc is much higher than for copper, so it's conceivable that rapid cooling or heating of a zincoln could lead to fracturing of the plating. See "freeze the balls off a brass monkey".
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Very interesting.
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I would suggest there is a light coating of a foreign substance on the coin that has fractured over time. Try an acetone soak for a minute (overkill likely) and it will probably be gone. Copper is a malleable and ductile metal having relatively soft and pliable bonds. It does not fracture like this under normal conditions.
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a quarter with a web-like surface. I was cool looking but washed away with acetone.

Never seen this on a coin, but have seen it on other things like antique furniture and it
is associated with old finishes cracking.
I'm curious as to what the final answer on this one might be.
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This is the obverse. There is clearly an impact opposite the cracking feature on the reverse. The coin has no glue or other foreign substance on the reverse.


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Hondo B,
I believe you've got it by the brass balls with the thermal CTE theory. Notice, the shattering feature appears mostly in the thinnest portions of the coin on the reverse and does not penetrate the thicker portions of the reverse. If this were a foreign substance on the surface of the coin the shattering feature would appear over the entire affected area, and not just the lowest areas of the reverse.
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My opinion is just stress cracks in the copper plating from the opposing impression/damage to the coin. This reminded me of a thread I started on another site, where I and stoneman227, who is on this site too, both sent coins to Mike Diamond and stonemans made to CoinWorld, where Mike did a write up on it. Cool find though and good eye, NY.

LINK https://www.lincolncentforum.com/fo...ight=cracked
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Interesting find.
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