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A Prize Coin. An 1852? Dime That Was Apparently Repurposed In 1864

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Coins have long been counterstamped for a great many reasons. This uniquely stamped dime was likely presented to a lady who won at the euchre (card game) table in August of 1864. It was created with individual letter and numeral punches; this, as opposed to a single application by a manufactured die.

The legend reads: ELLEN M. MORSE / AUGUST !864 / EUCHRE




In effect, this piece constitutes a love token that were typically engraved to acknowledge meaningful thoughts toward another person. The hole was likely created so the dime could be worn as adornment on a barcelet, necklace or brooch.

Two questions:
1) Do you think the date is 1852?
2) Can anyone trace the whereabouts of Ellen M. Morse?
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With all of the legacy and ancestry software available out there, I think it would be fairly easy to track down Ellen M. Morse. We know approximately when she lived; knowing where this coin popped up would also help.

That said, her name sounds to my ear like a fairly common one for that time period. You might find 15 Ellen M. Morses--how would you know which one owned this coin?
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Does seem like a common name, but here is a link to one such woman, who would have been in her early 40s when this coin was countermarked. She also partially fits the geographic profile of the so-called Euchre belt of Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania.

https://iagenweb.org/boards/howard/...?read=684298

I found a couple others with the same name and similar geography, but who would have been teenagers in 1864. I kinda picture Eucre as more of a grown-up game like bridge, but that could be a misconception of mine, especially more than 150 years ago. For completeness:

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial...len-m.-morse
https://ancestors.familysearch.org/...se-1852-1875

Please let us know if you ever find the answer!


Added: found a little provenance for you on this piece. It went unsold at the 2018 Skinner auction, when it was part of a lot of similar pieces:

https://www.skinnerinc.com/auctions...2T/lots/1192
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It's an 1842. 1852 Seated dimes were only struck in New Orleans. There is no mint mark on this piece.
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Spence, I like your detective-like style of reasoning!
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It's an 1842. 1852 Seated dimes were only struck in New Orleans.


@BH1964 .... Wrong. Over 1.5 million dimes were struck at the Philly Mint in 1852.

The dates on the 1842 dimes tend to be smaller numerals, so this dime is either 1852 or 1862, methinks.

@Spence .... Thanks for the leads! I'll look into them.

@jpsned .... Sometimes one clue leads to another. If I can check out newspapers in suspected areas, I might run across something re EUCHRE.

One of my best c/s attribution efforts took me all of ten years, I have two early large cents thatsimply have multiple L. TEMPLE c/s's on them. I found two guys by that name in early directories, Levi Temple of Maine and Lewis Temple of New Bedford, Massachusetts. Both were blacksmiths - a mundane occupation. Neither had a middle initial, so clues were lacking.

Upon investigating them both, Lewis was the more likely issuer. He manufactured harpoons. He won a prize at a Boston exhibition in the 1840's. Interestingly, Lewis was an escaped slave and active in the A.A.S.S. - American Anti-Slavery Society. He attended church with Frederick Douglass.

The only way I could positively attribute the c/s's to Lewis would be to find a matching stamp on one of his toggle-head harpoons. He made many hundreds, if not thousands of harpoons. A single ship would take a few hundred or more of them on a hunt, costing $1 apiece. It's doubtful that Lewis took the time and effort to stamp them all.

Over the years, I tried to lacate a stamped harpoon. Upon finally locating one in a museum, they provided me with close-up pics, AND the coin/harpoon name stamps positively match by font and size-wise. It was a long but rewarding journey.
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ExoGuy, I love that story. I am of the opinion that somewhere out there, the correct information exists to solve a mystery like this one. You just have to relentless in digging and then digging some more.
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@BH1964 .... Wrong. Over 1.5 million dimes were struck at the Philly Mint in 1852.

The dates on the 1842 dimes tend to be smaller numerals, so this dime is either 1852 or 1862, methinks.


My apologies. You are correct. It could be 1842 or 1852 both were Type 3. 1862 was a Type 5 with a different design so it can excluded.

If someone is willing to search through all '42 and '52 varieties you may be able to get a conclusive answer. I think it is an 1852 because the 2 looks nearly closed while the 1842 has a 2 that appears more open.
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This is a very interesting piece. I may have to follow to see where the clues takes you..
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ExoGuy, thanks for another great post! Yes, Euchre is a regional game and I learned to play when I was a teen in the 60's living in Ontario, Canada. I also know it is popular where I have a house in Maine maybe because lots of Canadians from Quebec vacation there. I'm not aware of euchre being played here in CT. I will do some checking and will share if I find anything that might help you.
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Great to see such a team effort on this post. I hope that we get @exo to a definitive answer.
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One suggestion I have that you might give a try...
Get ahold of a postal stamp cover collector. These folks are often very good at tracking down information about those who's names (sender and addressee) appear on old mailed covers.
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You just have to relentless in digging and then digging some more.


So true, JP .... Some attributions have taken me over a decade to eventually solve. Over the years, I've learned to be more picky when it comes to buying c/s's. I endeavor to buy ones that offer clues to enable a solution to the puzzle. Sometimes, the style and/or size of the font will point me in the right direction. Other times, it's the issuer's initials or lack thereof. Pieces with multiple stamps, different names, can be helpful. Of course, the town and/or street names help, too; this, as do occupational stampings.


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Get ahold of a postal stamp cover collector .....


I have a good friend who's a semi-retired dealer in this area, and I have collected the Civil War era covers for years. I'm unclear as to how this might connect to the counterstamp?

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