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Hello everyone!

I stumbled onto HiBid a few months ago & started buying some Morgans.

Got a couple of bargains & got hooked a little :)

Now I have about 85 coins (including a $1,097 fake 1894 that I got suckered into buying that I destroyed) & I'm getting them all graded & some of them CAC-stickered.

I retire in about 5 years, & the goal is to liquidate them all at that time for a retirement nest "boost" injection. I'll probably put them all into one auction house - which one, I'm not yet sure. I guess the market at the time will determine that.

Looking for all tips related to "buying low & selling high" & selling coins at auction for a profit.

Thanks all!!
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to the CCF

I suggest the majority of our membership do not approach our collections as a profit & loss venture - but rather the joy of collecting.

I say for myself that if the coins appreciate over time thats great, but I'm not counting on them to fund my retirement.

One solid tip that I can share from your own introduction:


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including a $1,097 fake 1894 that I got suckered into buying


Gain sufficient knowledge before buying your coins so you do not throw away $1097 on a fake.
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 Posted 03/04/2025  07:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lars1963 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, yeah, my problem was that I never suspected that those estate auctions would have a fake. It just never occurred to me.

It SHOULD have, as a 61-year-old man with a lot of life experience - but I am by nature a trusting person, so it didn't even cross my mind.

We all learn hard lessons sometimes.

But - I did buy a couple of coins for that made me more than the $1097 I lost, so in the end I am in the black.

You can't learn everything before you start doing something. Learning comes from doing :)



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 Posted 03/04/2025  07:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cointagous to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome Lars to the community. Might I suggest you just go to local coin shows instead of buying on Hi-bid. I've looked at that sight before and feel it's a crap shoot at best. If you are looking at this from a profit perspective, then learn the market and consider buying properly graded coins (3rd party graded even). The idea of finding a treasure on an estate auction site might be appealing but for me I'm just not that lucky. Finally time is your friend in this hobby and your time horizon might not be long enough to see a decent profit. Enjoy the hobby for what it is... a hobby.
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Hi lars1963, &,

...as an older guy who is still learning the hard way, ..."a little knowledge is a dangerous thing"... I agree with nicklesearcher's advice ...

...not that you can't sometimes come out ahead on a deal, but when it comes to liquidating a collection, there are extra costs involved, such as auction fees (as high as 30%), listing fees, dealer offer prices ... dealers have to make a profit, & rarely offer market value,, usualy 80%, or less, depending on desirability of the coin(s)...a coin's market desirability may even decline over the years ...

...also, having a coin graded & slabbed adds costs that you may not recover ... that $90 Morgan isn't going to bring any more because it's slabbed, & you've added cost & significantly reduced your return when selling...I see this situation a lot ...

...not all coins automatically increase in value over time ... pay $100 for a coin today & sell for $110 in a few years, & inflation may eat away at your gain.

...Any investment vehicle carries risk, &, it's best to be as knowledgeable as possible ... & you're still taking a risk ... enjoy this hobby for what it is, & best of fortune on your endeavor ...
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Would there be any advantage to building a Morgan registry set of good quality, and selling it as a block? Just a thought. Good luck!
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Nope and nope.

Purchasing coins as an "investment" has rarely been a good idea, especially common coins and a relatively short horizon.

You would do far far better in a high-yield savings account or a decent ETF.
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I like many others believe that it is a mistake to be purchasing coins as a "investment". This is rarely the case even with rare date high end coins and especially for the short term as you are intending. There are many other investment opportunities that far outweigh the prospect of getting wealthy by collecting coins. Even the precious metals are a long time "investment" and more accurately described as a hedge against inflation rather than an investment. If you had invested $10K in gold bullion back in 2005, it would be worth nearly $54K today and that is over a 20 year period. Even that is no guarantee, there is risk with any investment. If I were you I wouldn't venture any deeper with coins as an investment strategy.
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to the CCF!

Listen to these members...they have been around the block.

I'm about the same age as you and plan on retiring the same time.
I'm already starting to get rid of some of my collection because my kids have no interest (I still love them)!

If you
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I'm getting them all graded & some of them CAC-stickered.

Please let us know the results...
But remember...b4 "you" send them out to be graded...you can post them in the "US Classic and Colonial Coin Grading" section for some FREE advice.
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Buying raw coins online can be a risky venture (there is a lot that can be done with photography). Always check out the selller's feedback and sale records at a minimum. Sending coins to a TPG is expensive so only do so for solid coins worthy of the investment or to confirm they are genuine. If TPG coins are your objective, I would encourage you to purchase graded coins.
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Let us know the results. The forums are filled with threads about people disagreeing with TPG grades for coins they submitted. Most people are terrible graders. Are you sure your grades are accurate? Otherwise your investment boost maybe more like a money pit.
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I appreciate all the advice, & NO, I'm not trying to make a mint. It's not like I'm counting my retirement on this small 85-coin hobby LOL.

I bought these coins usually at a good price. I'm getting them all graded (the ones that already weren't) with PCGS & CAC.

Even with grading, they will sell for more than I paid. If I make $25 on a coin & $200 on another coin, which I WILL because I did my research on the coins, that's fine with me.

I'm talking about something like a $6,500-$7,500 investment & about a $9,500-$10K return. Nothing huge.

I'm getting the best of the PCGS coins CAC-stickered, so that will raise the value.

I might just end up selling them all myself on ebay. Either way, I'm stubborn enough that I will make my money.

PCGS tells me the value of the coins when I add them to my Inventory on their site, so I know what they are worth now, & they probably won't go up much with a CAC sticker. But I have seen CAC stickers raise sales prices 10% or more.

So thanks for all the advice, appreciated!!


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Either way, I'm stubborn enough that I will make my money.

To paraphrase John Maynard Keynes: the market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent.

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PCGS tells me the value of the coins when I add them to my Inventory on their site, so I know what they are worth now

PCGS price estimates are hideously imprecise. You can pull up pretty much any valuable 20th century coin in CoinFacts, and their price grid will be completely out of sync with the real auction results listed right below it. Most prices in those grids are determined as a set percent of an awesome grade of MS66 or greater. They aren't real numbers produced by any sort of real analysis. The price estimates also usually don't match the historical auction prices on PCGS, or the realized auction records at Great Collections or Heritage Auctions.

If your coins will result in a healthy profit based on the actual published auction results, cool. For most coins, the CoinFacts price grid is a very rough starting point, and for rare coins, it is laughably inaccurate (although I respect them for taking a cut at the price, I know it's a hard task).
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Unless you're really good at assessing and buying raw coins from photos, you might find that PCGS doesn't always agree with your (or the auction house's) assigned grade. As you probably know, even a one point difference in a mint state grade can make a huge difference in value. Then there's the risk that PCGS finds a borderline issue that results in a details grade, like overdipping or questionable color. Some higher value Morgans auctioned raw on HiBid might be there because they were cracked out of details holders. Making any kind of profit by buying at auction then selling a few years later is not easy, especially when you consider grading fees and selling fees. Hope it works for you, but there are a lot of pitfalls.
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I also base my value estimates on the "SOLD" prices on ebay. And not just the outliers - I take the averages.

For example if I have an 1884-O that I expect to sell for a price, I check the SOLD prices & look for PCGS coins rated the same as mine & look for the highest 10 sales prices, & I take out the Top 3 & any weirdly high ones & average the rest.

I also look at the "auction sold prices" on PCGS. There is a lot of data to make good estimates, if you look around.

I'll make my minuscule profit and have fun doing it :)
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