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1957 LWC Possible IIb And BIE

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I found this in an uncirculated roll I bought at a coin show this past weekend, appears to be a pretty neat IIB and BIE (maybe). Also has a nice cracked skull. I didn't see a listing on Cuds-on-Coins so I submitted it to JC. Waiting results.

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Very cool and unusual looking. Good luck with the submission to JC.
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Nice find! Good luck getting it listed.
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There's a lot going on with that one. It has an RIDB as well as IBIE. I don't see it in Cohen, in fact nothing like it. The obverse is VLDS and with all the breaks and such this might be near the last coin struck from the die.

It seems weird that so many new BIEs are being discovered. They were popular back in the day, but perhaps it's because we have better tools to search, document and communicate.
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I don't really see the die cracks above Liberty connecting the letters together, so I'm not sure it would be considered a BIE or IIB - but who knows? good luck with the sibmission.
Great RIDB though!
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Again--gotta love wheat cents from the fifties.
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For sure it is a BIE. Cohen would call it an "associated" BIE, with nomenclature BAXXX, when the die chip does not extend between the letters, but it is still called a BIE BAXXX. When it fully connects, it's a BIE BXXX. Hardy and CoC has a similar approach but different nomenclature.
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"associated" BIE, with nomenclature BAXXX

Well now, never heard of that before.. Something new to file away for future reference.
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Very cool looking coin!
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Neat find. Would be a crazy looking BIE fully blown out.

I myself see the top B and E crack connecting and almost see a RIDB above the B. I wonder if some angled photos might show this better.
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Yep, it looks like it was getting ready to chip out and become a full BIE.
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Now listed on cuds-on-coins as LDB34-1957-002 and RIDB-1c-1957-01.
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Congrats!
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Congratulations, lawest!
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Congrats!

I'd love to shoot this one in HiRes if you'd trust me with it. I have a new technique that results in 12500x12500 pixel (156MB) final images. I'd be able to capture all the details across both obverse and reverse. Depending on what I see in the areas that are beginning to chip-out I may also take some HiMag shots and some 3D renderings so we can all see what's going on in those areas topographically. PM me if you are interested.

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