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A Couple Of Morgan Dollar Question.

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 Posted 11/06/2025  11:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add howell1018 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, when I reference toning I'm referring to toning that I deem to be attractive, knowing full well that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I still maintain though that certain dates are easier to find toned than others.
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Interesting discussion. I'll throw out a couple of ideas for consideration. Planchets were produced in different operating conditions from varying sources of silver. Quality control varied from mint to mint as did the environment. In the days before air conditioning, the climate at each facility likely played a role in how the planchets and finished dollars fared. How did all this affect the ultimate "look" of the coins? I can't say for sure, but that along with how, where, and for how long they were stored after striking would also have an effect. The dry climate around Carson City could create different long-term effects that the hot, humid climate around New Orleans and so on.

As others have stated, I believe storage conditions played the major role in how these dollars fared.
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 Posted 11/07/2025  12:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slider23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I still maintain though that certain dates are easier to find toned than others.


You are correct certain dates are easer to find with attractive toning. The typical Morgan with colorful or rainbow toning is MS or high end AU. A lot of MS Morgan's did not find their way into circulation as they were over minted for the demand as the general public did not want to use the silver dollar for pocket change. For example, the US Treasury had over 25 million Morgan's in bank bag storage that were released to the general public from 1961 to 1964. After 1960 there were also a number of Morgan hoards that were released. The dates and mint marks that you find easy to locate attractive toning most likely came from the US Treasury release or a MS hoard release. The 1893 S had low mintage and there were not any hoards of bank bags found, and many of the examples were used in circulation and finding an attractive MS toned example is a hard and expensive find.

Your CC toner dates of 81,82,83, 84 most likely came from the GSA release from 1972 to 1980.
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 Posted 11/07/2025  8:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pmint1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am an obsessed morgan hoarder. I honestly have not noticed that some dates are more commonly found toned than others. I will pay closer attention.
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' my dollars that I've been able to locate with toning:

howell1018 Can we see (picture) what your Morgan toned coins look like?


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Oooooo, a 78-S! That's a date I need.

Here is another of my 1878-S toned Morgans. They gave it a "Reverse Improperly Cleaned," which I disagree with, more of a "Slide", which many rated coins get away with for a straight grade...
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Why did the San Francisco mint turn out consistently superior Morgan dollars than the other three (four if you count Denver--I don't)?


The Philadelphia mint produce all the dies and sent the dies to the other mints, they also produced quality proof Morgan;s. The Philadelphia mint had the equipment and personal to put out quality Morgan's but on business strikes they extended die use as they produced in a typical year more Morgan' s than the other branches.

A strong argument could be made that the Carson City mint produce the highest quality Morgan's coin for coin simply because the number of examples struck per set of dies were much less that the other branches.

I recall reading that the local branches did harden the dies once received, so maybe the SF branch did a little better job of taking care of the dies. The SF mint did produce a lot of quality Morgan's.

The branch that is hard to explain is the Orleans Mint as they had an ongoing issue with quality strikes. My guess is that the Orleans mint turned down the coin press pressure to extend life of the dies. When the coin press pressure is turned down the softness shows up on the coin's high spots. The 1921 Peace dollar is the perfect example of what happens when the coin press pressure is turned down.
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One thing I have noticed is that real proof Morgan dollars are often toned. Maybe this is not the actual case maybe I'm just remembering the toned ones selective memory . Was the dies treated differently when they minted the proofs, I'm thinking chemicals or something

https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1898-1/7333/61

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Yes, I'm referring to coins with colorful/ attractive toning, and yes, I undrrstand that "beauty is in the eye of the beholder." I also understand that original Morgan dollars are 90% silver and given certain environmental exposure silver tones, but I still maintain that certain dates/mintmarks seem to be much more available in what I deem to be attractive (rainbow) toning than others.
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CoinForMe...I'd like to accomodate your request to post pictures of my toners, but my ability to post pictures is lacking. I've looked at the tutorial and my general response is, "Huh?" My eldest grandkid is 13, so maybe in a couple years....I am a self-proclaimed whiz at ebay and Amazon ordering though.
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