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I see that the PCGS guide is constantly raising coin silver dollar values as the rising silver price has been eclipsing the stated numismatic prices. But they are only raising the lower grade values and virtually keeping the higher grades where they are. I suppose I am wondering what will happen if or when the silver melt value creeps higher than a common MS 61 or 62 or 63 dollar. At the current silver price of $79, silver melt on dollars is almost $62 already, and some common Morgan And Peace dollars are within spitting range in grades of MS 61 or 62. An 1890 Morgan at $80, a 1922 Peace at $72. and lots of others. |
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My guess is the numismatic premium will compress if silver keeps rising.
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Only thing that makes sense in volatile times is actual selling prices!
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Interesting conversation with my local coin shop yesterday about this as more common dates get melted. As time goes by and more get melted won't that make it more rare. Of course it would take some time for this to happen. Just a thought.
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By definition, yes if the number of something decreases (due to melting them down) it MUST become more rare.
But that does not necessarily make it more valuable, because value has to do with both supply and demand.
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The numismatic value will be what the market says it will be based on collector demand until the melt value overtakes it. At that point, you have the bullion and collector markets competing for the same piece.
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Only thing that makes sense in volatile times is actual selling prices! Exactly. Also, just because a stock or commodity jumps nearly 50% in one month doesn't mean that's a sustainable market valuation. |
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Common date lower grade silver coins have most of their value in metal. Perhaps the higher grades will simply float on the metal price like cream on milk. I don't know that the PCGS price guide is a good one, as it assumes a graded coin, which is itself an expensive process relative to the metal value of a silver coin. I think Numismedia would be a better guide for circulated common silver coins.
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I think Numismedia would be a better guide for circulated common silver coins. It is what I prefer and their prices have been showing "green" (increase) for the lower grade silver.  |
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I think Numismedia would be a better guide for circulated common silver coins. I'm not so sure that they are able to keep up with silver continuing to climb at this rapid pace. Just now looked at their current valuations and there are hundreds of examples of Morgan and Peace dollars in grades all the way up to AU-58 that they are currently showing FMV at $47 to $55, and with current melt value at about $58.50 that doesn't make much sense. That may be all that a dealer will offer you if they are buying junk silver at all, but XF to AU silver dollars aren't junk, and that's certainly not what a nice even common year silver dollar is worth. I suppose that until silver begins to level off, Numismedia as well as PCGs and NGC will all be chasing their tails just trying to keep up. |
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MV at $47 to $55, and with current melt value at about $58.50 that doesn't make much sense. I believe it does when you actually try to sell them. The FMV is a calculated market value, not melt value. Yes, melt value can affect the market price, but the actual buyers are offering less and the calculated value reflects that. |
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The situation with Morgan dollars seems similar to pre-1933 gold in the past year. As gold prices rose, the numismatic premium on graded gold coins became vanishingly small, so that lower grade mint state gold coins were basically valued as bullion coins. I suspect the same thing is happening with graded Morgan and Peace dollars, so that only higher grade mint state coins (64 or higher) will retain any numismatic premium. |
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I think Numismedia would be a better guide for circulated common silver coins. That is the site I use, keeping in mind that those prices are for graded coins. The base value for Morgan dollars on that site sits at about $51 as of this post but I doubt there are many people selling graded Morgans (at any grade) for $51 at current Ag prices. "Nummi rari mira sunt, si sumptus ferre potes." - Christophorus filius Scotiae
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I believe it does when you actually try to sell them. The FMV is a calculated market value, not melt value. Yes, melt value can affect the market price, but the actual buyers are offering less and the calculated value reflects that. Interesting observation. I certainly wouldn't pay a premium for a coin just because AR futures spiked for a day or two (and I wouldn't flinch at paying a premium if AR futures tanked for a few days), but I wasn't sure if that was how modern silver coin collectors viewed things. |
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At the end of the day, prices guides are just guides. The actual price is what a buyer and seller can agree on at any given moment.
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At the end of the day, prices guides are just guides. The actual price is what a buyer and seller can agree on at any given moment. I agree 100% and until the roller coaster ride is over, I don't see how anyone's guide will be worth anything to go by. -makecents-
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Posted 12/27/2025 8:04 pm
