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When Will Presidential Dollars Be Considered Classic?

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"topic hijack" !

Not totally a topic hijack: When the time arrives that
the copper in Golden Dollars exceeds their face value and
they start to be melted en masse, that would be
the number one factor in how it would affect their 'collectible'
(or 'classic coin') status.

And if a 'copper standard' world reserve currency caught on,
and elevated the price of copper relative to its traditional
price ratio to gold/silver, the mass meltdown (and thus a true
'collectible' status for surviving coins) would happen sooner.

Tarnished 2000 Sac's = future copper bars, or in 'junk copper' bags.
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Way to bring it back, DNA!

I agree. If copper values ever increase to that point, then no copper majority coin is safe!
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If copper values ever increase to that point, then no copper majority coin is safe!


Then what would we use? Tin? Zinc? Lead? Al? Chocolate?
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I like the idea of chocolate backed currency.
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with a chocolate backed currency I will be doomed to stay in the poor house
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eaglefoot <<<<<< investing in "Hershey's Inc." tomorrow morning.....
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We got off of the gold standard for a good reason. The value of our economy was growing much faster than the amount of gold available to back it up.


There is a lot of room for semantical confusion here. I was about to state that we went off the gold standard in 1933 when the economy was shrinking, so that we could "grow" the economy, but dollars were still convertible to gold (by foreign nations) until 1971 via the Bretton-Woods Agreement, which was reached in 1944.

And some call the 1971 action by President Nixon as "closing the gold window" rather than "going off the gold standard".

Anyway, if the dollar was still pegged to the gold at $20.67 per ounce I could make the argument that the economy wouldn't have grown.

I guess I can also say that the economy hasn't really "grown", and that what we have instead are more dollars.

Cheese Louise, I think I'll have an easier time understanding quantum physics than trying to straighten this out.


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I am not saying what replaced it is better. On paper, the Federal Reserve is a better system. In practice, well, you see what we have going on now.


Interesting choice of words...."on paper". I don't think you were intending a pun here either. On paper it is a better system, and it's ironic that the system is run "on paper".

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Interesting choice of words...."on paper". I don't think you were intending a pun here either. On paper it is a better system, and it's ironic that the system is run "on paper".
I actually thought of that when I wrote it and almost added "no pun intended" in parentheses, but wanted to see how people reacted. I am glad someone else thought of it as well!
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Just my USD $0.02....

I think that the mint turns out way way too much of this crap. Heck they have enough quality control problems as it is with their USELESS one dollar coins. Wow, the Ike, then the SBA, then the sac, now these issues... bleh :p These Presidential dollars are just junk souvenirs that are legal tender.

Now heres my idea. We take all paper dollar notes out of circulation. We mint a coin, copper like the old cents, about the same size and dimensions as the late Gold dollars. Geez we could even recycle the design - and then problem solved, the BEP saves the government 18 million USD/year+.

Remember in Canada they had a huge backlash when they took 1$ notes away, the "loonies" were so popular that now the 2$ coins are minted too.

*ahem*.... Brass Quarter Eagle, anyone?

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During one of the numerous discussions on this I said that the high mintage and current inaction is actually building the supply so that the switch could be made without any shortages of the dollar denomination.
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wd1040: Then what would we use? Tin? Zinc? Lead? Al? Chocolate?

I'm partial to 95% Aluminum with 5% Nickel as a strength additive. The 5% Nickel would provide a distinctive electronic metal 'signature' for vending machine use (to prevent the use of aluminum-only slugs).

We cold have anodized "golden" coins that would stay gold colored and not tarnish. We could also have other colors of coins. Denominations could in fact be color-coded. The light weight of the coins would also have obvious appeal for carrying in your pocket or purse.
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jbuck: If copper values ever increase to that point (beyond 'face value'), then no copper majority coin is safe!

Actually, millions of copper-majority coins will be 'safe', but those will be the coins that were already considered 'collectible' before the price of copper passes face value.

No one's going to be melting Proof Golden Dollars or Clad Proof Quarters in year 2100 or so, but billions of circulated copper coins will be going to the 'goo factory'...
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I agree with you, but I was thinking of the "uniformed" people; the same people that cash-in their inherited or stolen collections. They would have no problem melting down those proofs.

I do believe you are correct in that the meltdown will raise the value of the survivors.
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hi-jack sort of
when will Ikes be considered classics?

i am heading to the coin shop today to sort through 2 coffee cans of ikes he has
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