1965-P Washington Quarter-Missing I In IGWT

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mb560600 Valued Member United States 356 Posts	Posted 04/08/2026 11:20 pm Could this be the result of an obverse die break at K-8? Or is it likely PMD? Thanks for taking a look, and for comments. Report this Post to the Staff

Errers and Varietys Bedrock of the Community United States 73688 Posts	Posted 04/09/2026 12:35 am Might be a slight Greaser. Errers and Varietys. Report this Post to the Staff
ijn1944 Bedrock of the Community United States 19115 Posts	Posted 04/09/2026 07:23 am Grease may have been involved, yes. Circulation wear is certainly a contributor. Plus, Die Deterioration issues may be in play out toward the rim-field 'boundary'. Report this Post to the Staff
JimmyD Bedrock of the Community Canada 21584 Posts	Posted 04/09/2026 08:59 am Besides a Grease Filled Die, it looks like there is damage also. You can see where metal has been pushed over the "N". Report this Post to the Staff
Earle42 Bedrock of the Community United States 10034 Posts	Posted 04/09/2026 09:33 am Plugged die and damage to the N How much squash could a Sasquatch squash if a Sasquatch would squash squash? Download and read: Grading the graders Costly TPG ineptitude and No FG Kennedy halves https://ln5.sync.com/dl/7ca91bdd0/w...i3b-rbj9fir2 Report this Post to the Staff
jbuck Moderator United States 187702 Posts	Posted 04/09/2026 11:51 am I agree as well. Coin Collector Since 1978 Avatar Old Avatar 7070 Eisenhower Australia Canada World CCF Members on eBay CCF eBay Search Engine Report this Post to the Staff
mb560600 Valued Member United States 356 Posts	Posted 04/09/2026 4:41 pm Thanks E&V, ijn1944, JimmyD, Earle42 and jbuck for your comments. However, and with all due respect, please allow me to humbly advance an alternate possibility other than this is solely the result of a Grease Filled Die and PMD. I will again point to the rim to rim die break that exists between K-8 and K-9 on the obverse, which arguably has evolved into a pre-cud, and now a Retained Cud. The result of this die failure is a blob-like area connected to the die break that has spread latterally affecting and displacing the IN lettering. inj1944 did opine Die Deterioration as a possible cause, but a more accurate term is arguably die failure. A factor supporting this view is that there is a significant area of weakness on the reverse letters UNIT of UNITED, which are immediately opposite to the rim to rim area at issue on the obverse. I've learned that such weakness is commonly associated with the formation of Cuds and Retained Cuds. There may have also been some circulation damage that affected the remaining portion of N in IGWT, so I agree that is also possible--but not the likely cause of the displacement seen on this coin. Please see the additional photos. I welcome comments from those of you who agree or disagree with my analysis. Thanks. ARROWS POINTING TO RIM TO RIM PRE-CUD/RETAINED Cud DIE BREAK AND ADJACENT AREA OF LATERAL DIE FAILURE REVERSE OF COIN SHOWING AREA OF WEAKNESS IN LETTERING CAUSED BY THE PRE-CUD/ Retained Cud Report this Post to the Staff
Errers and Varietys Bedrock of the Community United States 73688 Posts	Posted 04/09/2026 5:08 pm Not seeing a Die Crack, which would be raised, or any displacement from the die breaking apart. I only see scratches from circulation wear and tear. Just my Two Cents. Errers and Varietys. Report this Post to the Staff
Dearborn Moderator United States 94786 Posts	Posted 04/09/2026 5:41 pm nice Greaser Collecting since 1972. Learning from then on "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." - Benjamin Franklin 7070 type set coin count: 51/76 Uncirculated American Silver Eagles My American Silver Eagle Proof Collection Sacagawea Dollars Innovation Dollars Eisenhower-Dollars Kennedy-Half Dollars Washington-Quarters Roosevelt-Dimes Buffalo-Nickels 1938-2005 Jefferson-Nickels Lincoln-Cents Report this Post to the Staff
mb560600 Valued Member United States 356 Posts	Posted 04/09/2026 10:59 pm E&V and Dearborn, thanks for the comments. However,a die fracture in this instance arguably caused a displacement of the lettering in IGWT. Isn't that evidence of a die fracture? And, if this is a Grease Filled Die, then there should not be weakness in the reverse letters UNIT as we see on the opposite side of the die fracture displacement. A Greaser would provide normal pressure on the obverse during the strike and no weakness in reverse lettering would occur. That is not what we see here. Report this Post to the Staff
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