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Edited by johnny54321
06/29/2009 7:44 pm
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It's a nice looking coin - it's got a weak strike - at least that's my guess since it would be unusual if it wore that way.
It's a neat piece of history back in the day when they struck coins using simpler methods where you didn't ever know what you would getfrom coin to coin.
Ken
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Right reverse leaves make me think XF-40 or better with a pathetic strike.
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I would agree that it's a weak strike. There looks like an arrow pointing at Liberty's chin.
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Interesting coin. I would agree that it deserves an EF-40, maybe even EF-45 based on the level of detail in the well-struck areas. Parts of the surface have a faintly granular look and the coin may have been gently cleaned at some point, but apparently these characteristics did not raise the "problem" flag at ANACS. I think the "arrow" pointing to Liberty's chin is a clash from the reverse wreath.
I do think the strike weakness significantly hurts the overall eye appeal of the piece and therefore I don't think it should cost full EF-40 price. Just my opinion!
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Is there a specific term for this type of weak strike? When I hear the term "weak strike" I think of a coin where the highest points on each side don't have the details fully struck. This coin is not weak on the highest points so much as it is weak on one portion of the coin (both sides), but the other portion (both sides) has strong details. I've heard the term "uneven strike." That seems more descriptive, but if it's not a generally accepted term, it isn't all that useful. ("Pathetic" seems a bit harsh.  ) |
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Looks like a die-alignment issue. Is the "N" in "CENT" characteristic of the die, or is something else going on?
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By 'pathetic' I just meant that it has one of the worst strikes I've EVER seen in awhile, at least from the photos. The photos on CT show a lot more detail IMO.
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Planchet might have been thin on one side, maybe some grease in the dies, maybe tired dies, maybe all of the above.
I'd weigh it and see where it is relative to nominal weight. The right side of the coin has almost AU details and the color is pleasing so I bet ANACS graded it 50 or 53. I would put it at 45 but I'm not a member of EAC (Early American Coppers) so it's really a guess with so much going on with this piece.
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 Here is the grade. The coin has no granularity in hand, though it has some heavy die flow lines. I do think it may have been cleaned/messed with at some point, and has retoned. In spite of the weak strike, ANACS was pretty harsh in my opinion. They obviously netted it down pretty severely. All that said, I was more than happy to pay VF-20 money for this coin, and will buy any other VF-20s I see with this much remaining detail. :-) |
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Here is the ebay listing I purchased it from. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...RK:MEWNX:IT&I took and posted my own pics because the color of the coin in the seller's photos is not accurate. The coin is dark brown, not green. I also removed it from the slab to place in my type set. It actually looks pretty decent next to my other XF-AU specimens. Edited by johnny54321
06/30/2009 2:11 pm
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That coin has been net graded down 15-20 points at least, maybe 25. Way too far down IMHO but you did get a great price because of it.
The coin will be worth twice what you paid when the market recovers a bit. Great pick up!
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I think ANACS might have been a tad harsh on it, I couldn't see it as any worse than VF-30 and EF is certainly not out of the question given the level of detail on the right side of the wreath, face, and drapery. I headed over to Coin Talk to look at the comments there and it appeared that someone attributed it as a C-1 Die State IV. The grader may not have been familiar with that particular variety/die state and downgraded it without realizing that the wear/strike pattern fits the description. Graders are usually quite good at what they do but they are not always variety specialists With that said, I would pay VF money for that coin all day long, nice pick up  Edited by biokemist6
06/30/2009 4:50 pm
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Yeah, I think ANACS was grading the strike and not the wear. It is definitely problem free and under graded IMO. Great coin!
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