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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I was reading that there is twice the amount of surface gold as compared to surface silver.
I guess they mean by surface dug out of the ground gold and silver.
Do you think this is true that silver is scarcer than gold?
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Moderator
 United States
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I know that platinum is the rarest precious metal. I would not doubt that silver, which usually has to be hard rock mined is by far scarcer on the surface than gold which generally can be found in alluvial placers as well as below the surface. There are both types of mining operations for gold (hard rock mining and surface dredging as well as open pit mines). I am a recreational gold prospector here in California and Arizona and have never found silver in the sluice box or pan but have found platinum with the gold.
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 Australia
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According to this Wikipedia data page, gold makes up 0.0000004% of the earth's crust, while silver makes up 0.000008%. In other words, there's 20 times more silver around than gold. This is a "crust" statistic, not a "surface" statistic; I'm not what the definition of "surface" is, but if it's more in line with the "upper crust" column, then the stats are gold 0.00000018% and silver 0.000005%, giving a ratio of 28 times more silver than gold. And of course these stats are "what's in the ground", not "what we're currently digging out of the ground". Gold, being more valuable, is more worthwhile pursuing at lower concentrations, meaning that there are more "low grade" gold ore deposits being exploited than there are low grade silver ore deposits. So overall, a higher percentage of the gold is more likely to be currently being mined. But even then, I doubt it's enough to take a 28:1 ratio and make it 1:2.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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The keyword is SURFACE gold - there is absolutely nothing mentioned about underground gold and silver. The reason why gold is found in alluvial placers is simply because of the erosion of rocks that contained gold ores over time. Because gold is heavy, they cannot be deposited over a long distance.
What most people who aren't in the mining industry presume that anything that's underground can be mined and extracted at a maximum recovery rate. Unfortunately, there are way too many variables which make the industry very complex. For instance, what kind of minerals are there initially? Heavy metals, silica, sulfides and so on are NOT favorable conditions. What is the stratigraphy of the deposit like? How does a mining company deal with environment consequences and compensate communities that happen to live around the mine? The list goes on.
What people should be looking at is not the amount of natural resources that are available underground but how much of that can be mined economically and how viable the project is.
In regards to vermontensium's comments, I have to disagree that platinum is the rarest precious metal. Rhodium and iridium ,possibly ruthenium by far are much scarcer than platinum and most of them are mined in South Africa - if I remember right, it is as high as 80%. On the other hand, Russia supplies at least 20% of the world's platinum and 60% palladium.
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 United States
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Quote: Rhodium and iridium ,possibly ruthenium by far are much scarcer than platinum Thinking along the lines of the most commonly mined precious metals, I have to admit, Rhodium did not even cross my mind! It is definitely much more rare than platinum.
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Valued Member
United States
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I think one thing that is missing is that when silver is used, it is usually expended. I don't know much about Rhodium or iridium, but silver has commercial use and when it is used... often it is gone.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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Well WOW guess I should ask this a different way.
What I was reading is some people write they thing silver is way under priced and will get in the future years to be worth $100.00 per ounce.
Because it is used in industry and is limited in source what do you think?
I have been buying more silver lately to hold long term as I feel the US dollar will crap out.
Not wishing to make huge profits just protect some of my money in hand.
Silver is better for me as it is not as expensive as gold and I also feel gold is over priced and will lose value in the years to come but hope silver will not drop as much in value as silver.
I know there are allot of you here that know allot more than me and I value your opinions.
Edited by Brucec 07/12/2009 11:18 am
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 United States
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Quote: have been buying more silver lately to hold long term as I feel the US dollar will crap out.
Not wishing to make huge profits just protect some of my money in hand.
Smart man  I have some gold and even a small amount of platinum as a hedge because I do believe the dollar will continue to lose value with inflationary concerns and uncertainty. Most of my metal holdings is in silver as well. $100 an ounce, well, IMO that is wishful thinking. I can see another round of maybe $30-35 per ounce. Check out this Youtube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0i4sJqHPUkIt's a 13 part video but well worth it.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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Well if you look at the Internet you can find almost any argument as to what is going to happen with the economy and our world.
I am a retired Marine and know most Marines would never stand for anything but One USA as we have defended it for our children and grandchildren.
Anyway you can find anything you want out there as far as doom and gloom who knows.
I do feel that with inflation and the growing spending spree and our WOW I-O-You to countries the dollar is doomed.
I almost feel like pulling the IRA out of the bank paying taxes on it all and the penalty but you just do not know what to do. Anyone can see that things are not good at all and the USA has had no money for years our once gold and silver reserves have been a thing of the past and when you actually look at the facts as anyone can see the dollar is only good because we as Americans still except it for trade like the Indians traded shells and beads.
I am just trying to figure out what to do like everyone else.
As stated still pondering daily about weather to cash in the IRA's take the loss but may be better than nothing?
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Valued Member
United States
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there are gold IRAs. I believe APMEX has info on them. So, instead of cashing out your IRA adn taking the penalty, you just transfer your holdings from mutuals or CDs to gold - which is held in a bank. I was thinking about this myself, but never made the jump. I am a silver guy myself, but mainly because I really can't afford gold. If I did have the money, I would still invest in silver as I have read the pro-silver arguments and foudn them compelling. I guess the golden rule is diversity.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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Yes I get allot of silver from APMEX forgot about that IRA they have but the BIG CD and IRA is not due till April 2010 not sure we have that long guess I will just hope we do then decide what to do then. If allot of people are correct we may see things going down hill fast by Sept 2009 I hope they are wrong.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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What most people forget is the statistics quoted about the % of anything on or in the Earth's surface or even well below that are statistics based on what has been found so far. And not really so far either since no one really knows how much Gold, Platinum, Silver, etc was mined, tooled into something, buried by ancient peoples. And too there are possibly mines full of some of those substances that are not being publicized due to keeping the prices as they are. Diamonds are like that. It is a well known fact that today Diamonds could be placed out into the market and flood it to the point of making the cost trivial. This is even compounded by the ability to manufacturer Diamonds. Similarly a super rich vein of Silver, Gold, etc of any precious metal would be best kept to a minimum of public awareness. Considering previous finds, usages reburied precious metals, not made public what is or isn't available, any % is just a guess.
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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Just carl, I will have disagree on you on several points. The amount of precious metals mined for the past thousands of years compared to the last 200 years cannot be compared at any level. You may wish to argue that ancient men might have access to more alluvial deposits which is much easier to mine but factoring in how mining was an intensive labour process compared to the modern technology we have, it should be a no brainer. Mining companies as far as I know will usually have to show and revise how much resources they have on their annual report. Investors will get wary and pull their funds off if the mining companies are not projecting expected profits or there are less minerals than expected. Under the Australian stock market (ASX), all mining companies listed on the ASX MUST adhere to the JORC code and this code is relatively strict. For more information, you may wish to read it here: http://www.jorc.org/ I don't know if this applies to the US but I am sure there are some sort of standard in the US. Under the JORC code, mining companies must have already worked out the geology of the site as well as how they plan to mine the deposit economically. This then has to be certified by competent people in this workfield. I don't see any benefit of why mining companies will want to keep this away from public awareness.
My partial coin collection http://www.omnicoin.com/collection/gxseriesMy numismatics articles and collection: http://www.gxseries.com/numis/numis_index.htmRegularly updated at least once a month.
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