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So, I finally decided on a 20 cent piece for my type set at least for now. I admit that I compromised on this piece, but I did so knowingly. Money is tight, so I can't always go for the best of the best. Anyways, the seller advertised this as a cleaned VF. I totally agree that the obverse has been cleaned, but I think he undergraded the coin. The obverse is obviously the weakness of this coin. It has been weakly struck and cleaned. It still retains some luster in protected areas. The reverse, however, is quite strong overall. It is dripping with cartwheel luster and has quite a bit of detail. Judging from the detail and luster of the reverse, I tend to think this coin is closer to AU details, with a weakly struck and cleaned obverse. At least XF-45. I really appreciate sellers who undergrade their coins on ebay, and give full disclosure of problem. They are few and far in between, so I'm happy to support them. This is a filler for now, and will be reverse facing out in my album. :-) Opinionate away!   |
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Interesting; the reverse looks like a different coin! In my opinion, not bad at all. It was an informed purchase and looks better than I expected.
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Ok, confession time. :-) I took these pictures using different light sources. I used a more direct light source on the reverse to help capture the luster. Since there isn't much luster on the obverse, I used an indirect light source to help bring out all the details I could. I will admit that I sometimes try to plcae my coins into the best "light" possible. ;-)
With that said though, they do somewhat look like a different coin on obverse compared to reverse as far as details and surface quality goes.
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AU reverse for sure. NOT sure about the obverse regarding your weak strike theory, someone more familiar with Seated coins could be more helpful. Both sides have been cleaned. A nice type coin, hope you didn't pay too too much for it. Bruce |
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Both sides have been cleaned. Probably true. The coin is pretty white, and most of these old coins have been messed with. However, if cleaned on the rev, they did so in a way that didn't impair the luster, much lighter than so on the obverse. I don't think the reverse alone would stop it from getting slabbed, as I've seen many coins with that look make it through. The obv, however has been cleaned more harshly and would certainly cause the coin to BB. It is a cheap type coin. |
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As far as the weak strike goes...they are abundant in this series. As far as I've seen, the one in this listing absolutely takes the cake. http://cgi.ebay.com/1875-S-20-cent-...50_W0QQitemZ280369805783QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCoins_US_Individual?hash=item414757b9d7&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65:12%7C66:4%7C39:1%7C72:1205%7C293:1%7C294:200 The surfaces are dead too, and it kind of makes me wonder what PCGS was thinking grading this coin at all, much less an AU-50...lol. I have a feeling it's going to be a looooooooooong time before this seller gets his $410 for this coin..:-P Edited by johnny54321
07/20/2009 6:34 pm
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Interesting wear. The obverse displays details of a VF35 coin but the reverse IMO is that of an AU53 coin. Cleaned? Would love to examine this coin in hand.
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And he described it as 'fairly sharp strike', lol.
It makes me think that my 1875-P might actually be XF with an awful obv. strike.
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And he described it as 'fairly sharp strike', lol. Yeah. What's interesting is he is a reputable seller overall. He has a lot of decent coins at high but not outlandish prices. He just happens to be really REALLY off on this one...lol. Maybe he was looking at another coin?  |
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Yeah, I would definitely think he was either asleep or looked at the wrong coin. I would consider buying a type coin from him if I absolutely could not find the right one, but it also seems like he gets a lot of his stuff from teletrade
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07/21/2009 02:04 am
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Bedrock of the Community
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The difference in remaining detail on the obverse stars is amazing. I agree it should go XF.
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Pillar of the Community
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I agree with most of the posters: VF to EF obverse, solid AU reverse. Perhaps the seller was referring to LIBERTY as evidence of a sharp strike; the letters are pretty well defined which is not always the case even for coins approaching AU. I think it deserves EF-40 overall. It may have been cleaned but if so it's not obvious to me. I'd call it a pretty nice filler coin!  |
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I think I need to make a clarification. The listing I posted is NOT the coin I purchased. It was merely an example of a weakly struck AU. The one I purchased was raw.
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Pillar of the Community
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The listing I posted is NOT the coin I purchased. It was merely an example of a weakly struck AU. The one I purchased was raw I'm confused. Are we grading your coin or not? |
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Yes, we are grading my coin(the one pictured here). I posted the link to another one to show just how weakly struck some of these 20 cent pieces are. My coin and the one in the link are different coins. Feel free to comment on either coin, just please make it clear which one you are referring to.
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looks like a S/S mint mark...enjoy!
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