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The Taco Bell Napkin Debate

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 Posted 07/27/2009  09:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nohope587 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Say what you like about taco bell napkins but I have heard you cannot do better than an office Depot white letter envelope for toning silver.
I'll see if I can find a not so nice Eagle and run my test along side the napkin test...

http://www.mycoins.us/Eagle_in_the_...n_toning.htm
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I recently pulled out a 1988 ASE that I put in a plain manilla coin envelope last year and was floored by the colors ... peach and orange in the center, darkening to golden brown towards the edges, with a hint of violet at the denticles. The toning was very uniform, without blotches. I wondered why the Taco Bell napkin Morgan was so mottled and ugly. That ASE was untouched on the surface. Evidently the Morgan (a high AU, not BU) had uneven surface conditions that promoted toning in some areas and resisted toning in others. I am going to retest that coin after a dip to remove the old toning, an acetone bath and thorough rinse.
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 Posted 07/27/2009  12:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wetglaswegian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the info Seatednut , ill need to rethink my strategy.Ive got them in darkness.
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 Posted 10/01/2009  06:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yotie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
anyone peeked at their coins yet?

i looked at my Merc and it is a nice golden colour right now
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 Posted 10/01/2009  09:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
here is a coin I did a year or so ago. It may not have been quite as dark when I took it out of the napkin but it was close

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 Posted 10/01/2009  10:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have my 20 cent piece in one for a few weeks now. It looked like it was maybe cleaned long ago.
BTW around here we have a lot of KFC connected directly to Taco Bell so the KFC was where I went one day for some extra crispy. They share the same napkins.
It is too early to even peek for me.
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 Posted 10/01/2009  11:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SeatedNut to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The Morgan I mentioned on 7/27 just went into the napkin two days ago. Where did the time go? I think I'll give it a bit more time before I check.

I gave it a quick EZ-Est dip to remove the ugly mottled tone, a thorough rinse and then into the acetone bath. Another good rinse and blow dry followed. I cut a strip of the Taco Bell napkin and wrapped it around the circumference of the coin (trying to promote a bullseye toning effect), then wrapped this in a white napkin and taped it closed. I placed it on top of the hot water heater (more out of the way than the window sill) as heat is a accelerant in this reaction. Now I must be patient ...
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 Posted 11/23/2009  9:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cmdrstp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have joined your experiment group.

I have placed an ASE bullion wrapped in Taco Bell napkins and a small manila envelope. That envelope is placed in the smoke vent screen above my stove. It should see a steady diet of heat and steam moisture.

Stephen
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This is a great thread, I'm glad that it was re-awakened from the depths.
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 Posted 09/26/2010  12:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lukkyseven to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As a new collector I find toning very interesting. I don't own enough coins to experiment with yet, but could someone post pictures as it's been a while now?
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Something I noticed the other day, I detected an odor of hydrogen sulfide in some napkins. If you have driven by or worked in a paper mill you know the smell. I have a real strong sense of smell though. If a particular batch of napkins had a stronger smell, I would assume they would cause more aggressive toning.
White napkins are bleached. I don't know what process they use, but I would think that chlorides would react differently with silver than sulfides would?
Something else I thought of. When you wrap a coin the sulfide vapors come in contact with the coin causing oxidation(toning.) After awhile the vapors contacting the coin would have to weaken because the inner layers of napkin would be shielding the coin from the outer layers of napkin. Would you get a different result by placing a coin inside a tightly sealed empty cereal box? After all, the coin would be sealed inside a sort of vapor chamber.
Just some thoughts. A chemist would be very helpful.
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 Posted 10/13/2010  9:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add andrewjconners to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
funny
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Is anyone still doing this experiment?
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 Posted 12/09/2010  5:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nohope587 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yep still have an ASE in an envelope and one on the window sill
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