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 Posted 07/24/2009  06:53 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add chris12018 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I have a customer that I just finished a roof for. And, He advised me me that he has a coin collection that belonged to his father, that he has no interest in and would like to sell. I'm not great at grading as of yet, and would like to give him a fair price. What other ways can I figure up FMV short of trying to grade every coin in the collection?
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 Posted 07/24/2009  07:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tim Stroud to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would talk to the guy about splitting the cost of an independent appraiser.
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A quick way to do it would be to divide all the coins up by type and a rough grade - for example, take all of the Barber dimes and divide them into three piles - good, fine and AU or better. Then assign an average price (using Numismedia minus say 25% or the source of your choice) to each grade and multiply by the number of coins in that grade. Do the same for the Jefferson nickels, Lincoln cents, etc. Add it all up, take a quick look for key dates, and there's a price.

That way you don't have to be an expert grader or look at every coin in great detail.

Sounds like an interesting opportunity.

Ken
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The other thing I wanted to add - some people's idea of a rare coin is different than others. So it is possible that he has a bunch of mint sets and a half completed Lincoln album and that's it. So, the first step is to find out if it is a serious collection or not.

Good luck!
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A lot of collections consist of common date silver in well circulated condition. Do a check for key dates & grade/price them individually. Make your offer based on melt value for everything else.
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 Posted 07/24/2009  10:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TheForce to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Face value is always nice....ha
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I knew a guy that ran a stamp and coin shop a few years ago.
After he would "casually" page through a collection, He would ask the person, what were you looking to get for the collection.
They would generally spit out a price, He would then either give them their price or tell them it was only worth face value, or reject it completely.
If he told them face value and they sold anyway, most got dumped into the face value bin an sold by the piece.(which sold hand over fist)
If he gave them what they asked for, he would pull out about 6-10 pcs and ship them off to auction and push the book aside for future research...having most likely doubled his money on those pieces alone.
I was never sure I liked that way of thinking, but with the amount of collections that he would get on a weekly basis, I think he is still sorting stamps and coins.
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 Posted 07/24/2009  11:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
chris12018 I have been in this situation many times, although most of the time it was for antiques.
Sometimes people will play you for a price. You spend a whole day or afternoon sitting down and educating somebody, give them a good price you can still sleep with a clear conscience, and they say, "I'll think about it, and get back to you."
From my knowing you from the forum, I know you are an honest guy, heck if you were not, you would not have made the topic.
I recommend that you get your checkbook and a pad and paper for a receipt, write down GENERALLY what you will pay for all the coins. Such as, 12 large cents, 25 Indian Head cents, 300 wheat cents, etc.
Show the guy your offer at the bottom line, ( Best price you can pay and feel honest about ) and tell him that you will pay this amount today. If he agrees, have him sign the list as a receipt, go get it copied, and give him the check and be on your way.

I learned that people will use you, get your offer and then go elsewhere for a better offer more than half the time. I don't do free appraisals, I don't buy their coins or antiques after they shopped around and come back, telling me I was the best offer.

When you go through the coins, keep note and put a number in your head, and keep adding it up.
Put that number as a bottom line on the receipt.
Remember, to tell them that you can't make a dollar on them if you pay book price and nobody pays book price.
There are some you will probably want to keep for yourself and some you will probably resell to get your money back.
Tell him, you will make a profit but that it is work, just like putting that roof on. Work isn't free and it is included in the price you will pay.
If he doesn't accept your fair offer, then let it go.
Just remember to be fair to the guy and yourself as well and you will be OK.
In these situations, you are supposed to come out a winner, but not beat the guy.

PS: I forgot one thing, I buy it all or none. Whatever they put out for you is the deal.
I don't toss and turn at night, I probably paid better than most would have, but my point is, people use you in situations like this because you have the education and sometimes all they wanted to know was how much their stuff was worth.
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I suggest you first get to know a lot about coins. As already noted many people think a pile of coins is a collection. Some are actually just minor types of collecting items and not much value but everyone thinks they struck it rich. OR, the individual knows they are not worth much but hopes you don't.
You stated he is a customer. If he is not a regular custome that you deal with all the time, I find is suspicious that he would pop up with a coin collection to a possible stranger. How did he know you may be interested in coins?
If I were you I'd ask him if you could sit down and look the collection over. Any old copy of the Numismatic News has a decent price guide but I'd not take any price guides with if your just going to look to see what he really has.
You could make a list of sorts and look up later what you think it's all worth.
I'm just a skeptic when someone pops up with selling something to me that they couldn't or shouldn't know I'd be interested in.
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So much info to digest. But, I like being full. I have done work for this family before. As for how the collection came into conversation: His mother has gotten really sick, and they have to liquidate the estate. I posed the question of antiques. But, was told they had all the belongings in the house sold to a local auctioneer. That was when he brought up the coins. I told him I would be interested in looking at them and make an offer. I asked why they didn't want to keep them in the family, and was told noone had any interest in them. I have no idea what the collection consists of as of yet. I will keep posting as things develope. Please keep the info and comments coming as I am no where near full.
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 Posted 07/26/2009  1:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chris12018 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I almost forgot. Wheezy, Thanks for the compliment. I like to sleep with a clear conscience. I was told when I was young (many moons ago )"What you do today, you'll have to sleep with tonight." I believe there is a song similar to that phrase, I also believe in karma.
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I would suggest doing what most dealers do and buy at the prices they do. Depending on the size of the collection it may be impossible to sit down and do a quick quote, the dealers I go to usually look for the key and semi key dates first and put them aside in their own pile, the rest are kept together and are bought at certain price that is average across the board ($.02-$.03 for wheat's, $.50-$.75 for Indians, 6-8X face value for silver...). By doing this it is easier to focus on the coins that really matter and show him that you are not trying to take advantage of him. You can then show him a Red Book or Grey Sheet and give an estimated guess on the grade, by doing this you make sure to let him know you are not a professional grader and that it could be wrong. If there are very rare or tough coins, you may even suggest he get them appraised at a local coin store. The whole intent is trust on both sides and by giving him a few options of what to do will make him feel safer as well. This sounds like a dream opportunity to me and I hope it all works out for both of you.

P.S. Do you own the company that is rebuilding his roof? If so, you may want to trade services for part of the set as well.
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Thank You penny pincher, That too is very helpful. As of now I am waiting for things to calm done as his mother became very sick again. To answer your question, Yes, I do own the company. I haven't picked up final payment yet. I was hoping to use or part of it to pick up the collection. Now I'm just waiting. I will keep everyone posted on the outcome.
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I will be picking up the collection on Wed. The owner said I could bring them all home and look through them at my leisure. I told him that I would feel better if we made a list of what I take. he told me that there were U.S., German, & some other foreign coinage. If there is anyone who knows of any specific German coins to watch for, feel free to add to this tread. Well, it's time for bed, But, I don,t think that I'll get much sleep tonight.
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 Posted 09/29/2009  11:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hc8604 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I just read this thread, hopefully there will be some nice coins in the collection.

Seems these days people are willing to barter stuff for services, and many of these stories I read usually contain some nice pieces...
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[quote][I will be picking up the collection on Wed. The owner said I could bring them all home and look through them at my leisure. I told him that I would feel better if we made a list of what I take./quote]
I really think that is a bad idea. Not sure of who those people are but people are people and if you take those coins out of their home, they may always suspect you of confiscating something valuable. Also, you could loose some by accident. Or you could be robbed. Or anything could really happen and then it would be your problem to pay for something you don't know if real or not. Taking those home I think is a really bad, bad idea.
I too have to go along with wheezydog's stories of what people do and say. Maybe a little pessimistic, but better to be safe than sorry. I really suggest you tell the person you would gladly evaluate those but be carefull there too. You might just want to use a Red Book and explain that those prices are usually about 25% over but then too, how could you prove that.
Remember it has been sort of explained that they know little or nothing about coins. Regardless of what you use to evaluate those, it is difficult to tell people that the prices are what is usually sold for by dealers, not what you could sell them for. People just don't normally understand that. You might want to use a car as an example where you can buy one for xxxx but if you tried to resell that same car you would never get that amount.
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