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richardschornak Valued Member United States 80 Posts	Posted 10/17/2009 11:20 am I have purchased a few of these slabs from e-bay. Understand that a ms-67 that this company has graded the coin is not correct. I purchase these coin's break open the slab and sell them raw. They are are a good deal if you purchase at a MS 60 grey sheet, nothing more. Report this Post to the Staff
artdio Pillar of the Community 1844 Posts	Posted 10/17/2009 12:28 pm What coins did you buy from this person.? I have been following the auctions and have never seen one slab that said MS 67.... I beleive you are incorrect and have the wrong company........ Report this Post to the Staff
artdio Pillar of the Community 1844 Posts	Posted 10/17/2009 12:41 pm Richard, I reviewed all the auctions that this seller has or had in the past 30 days ever since these coins in the slabs came out for sale.....I think the statements you have made are false and undermining.. This seller has not to this day sold any coin in a slab that said MS 67......... The highest I have seen is MS 65 and the buyer according to Feedback was extremely happy with the coin.... Sir if you say this then please provide a pic of said slab ......or of the auction # which you should have if you bought it from ebay as you say.... Report this Post to the Staff
GO Moderator United States 6563 Posts	Posted 10/17/2009 1:59 pm artdio, he never said he bought the 67's. He was just using that higher grade as a reference. How long have they been on the market? Report this Post to the Staff
Bryan1315 Bedrock of the Community United States 14454 Posts	Posted 10/17/2009 4:57 pm are you in some way connected with this seller? I don't care who the seller is or what ever but if you grade a coin MS-67 and it is in fact anything other than a MS-67 and you place the coin in something that resembles a Third Party Graders slab to try and fool a new collector into thinking they have been graded by a third party that has no interest in how much the coin sells for in a little on the shady side. I mean come on, its not like the coin is in a 2x2 flip, and the person is calling it a 67, they place it in these plastic cases to try and fool people into thinking it is something its not. I could understand if someone thought it was MS-65 and it was actually MS-63 or 63 but come on, MS-67 and it is MS-61 is starting to get very close to a scam. The reason most of us feel so strongly against these sellers doing this is because when the collector buys this crap and then come trying to find out how much their prized coin in a bottom basement slab is worth we have to break their heart and tell them it would be better to just break it out and spend it, no matter what they paid because it is nothing but pocket change and the plastic is worth more than the coin. This in turn turns these who could one day become a Great collector with a wealth of knowledge some time in the future into someone that isn't even interested in the hobby at all anymore Report this Post to the Staff
Bryan1315 Bedrock of the Community United States 14454 Posts	Posted 10/17/2009 5:00 pm I am sure if he had these coins in a 2x2 with magic marker saying it is one grade no one would have any problem with it, but trying to make it look like it has actually been graded is preying on the unsuspecting collector Report this Post to the Staff
chequer Pillar of the Community Canada 4227 Posts	Posted 10/17/2009 5:07 pm And richardschornak didn't say he bought from this seller, he said he bought those slabs. No reference was made to the seller. Listen to the advice all these experienced numismatists are giving you, artdio. Report this Post to the Staff
artdio Pillar of the Community 1844 Posts	Posted 10/17/2009 8:57 pm If I misunderstood what richard was saying I am sorry.. Yes I would agree if a person is doing that only to increase prices is wrong..I my self have purchased coins this way but only because I buy the coin not the slab.. Even ICCS , or PCGS graded coins I still remove them as I do not like any holders, slabs ect... And to answer Bryan NO I am not connected to this seller in any way....But I asked the seller many question as did another member and we both got the same answer.. Even though they state no returns, the seller openly said there is no problem with return for any reason... That was enough for me to at least trust this seller... For some reason many people think I am new to this.. I'm 50 yrs old and have been collecting since the age of 16... I am no expert but I do have a great deal of experience in Canadian coins....... 1 thing I do know about those slabs are from what I have seen the grading looks very nuch correct and on some I would say even lower........ In all fairness guys, this seller does not call them graded, and makes no reference to them as such..There is no mention of them being from a TPG ...What amazes me is I hear nothing about the other grader from the US .. so called NNC now you want basement slabs and utterly ridiculous grading go check those out........ And you are correct Bryan , and I couldnt agree more..This is why I always say BUY THE COIN not the HOLDER ...... Report this Post to the Staff
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