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1889 Morgan Silver Dollar Struck Thru Or Post Mint?

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I also noticed in my haste there's an impression on the right wing I missed...the bar thingy caught my eye so much I missed it. LOL

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 Posted 10/20/2009  8:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bmanofnbc to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like a struck through to me.
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Looks struck through to me. I don't have a tremendous amount of experience here but I think post mint damage wouldn't be so clean. It seems like the head would be a bit more tore up and the bar thingy wouldn't have the same texture as the rest of the field.
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Is it just my Morgan-noob eyes, or do the fields have an odd, pebbly surface?
Is the other mark on the lower right wing incuse as well? Just asking...because I need to learn about Morgans.
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 Posted 10/20/2009  8:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bmanofnbc to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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the bar thingy wouldn't have the same texture as the rest of the field


That was what got me too, I think whatever was in the way was fairly soft.
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I don't know squat about Morgans DV so I don't understand the surface either. Yea, the wing mark is incuse, I need to look at that closer sometime. I need to learn more about Morgans too!
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What does the obverse look like?
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its the newly attributed THAD VAM
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My gut tells me this is all post mint damage of some nature. There appears to be a raised area around the vertical bar that should not be there if this was done at the time of striking. There is also horizontal damage to the eagles head that ends at the bar on each side. The damage to the wing seems to be a blow that continues down to the claws and arrow shafts. This is one that you wish you could reach into the screen and pluck the coin out to examine in hand.
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Here's some more pictures:
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Missed one:

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In your first set of pictures, especially the last one of the set, I just don't see how post mint damage would retain the "orange peel" look down near the bottom of the mark. I would think something hard enough to make that much of an impression would also smooth out the area a bit.

Having said that, I wonder if that explains the flatness in the hair curls on the obverse. Meaning that it was some type of hit, and the resultant pressure from the post mint strike flattened out the details.......

I'm riding both sides of the fence right now.
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That is post mint damage
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 Posted 10/21/2009  5:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thad,
I had another thought about that oval-shaped mark on the eagle's head--is there a design within that mark?
There's something about the position that seems deliberate, as some kind of "chop mark" to check silver content?
I've seen other coins with chops across small designs and wanted to toss that idea out there.
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I'm no pro but here is my guess, post mint damage with either a sandblasted effect or maybe some sort of acid wash done after the damage.
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I've been told the coin is a cast counterfeit. Anyone else agree?
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