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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Edited by jokingjoker
01/09/2010 10:06 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I would say most definately yes...IMHO. If you look at this guys feedback, he has alot of completed sales with the same seller. If you look at the sellers coin listings, this guy has bid on most of the auctions that have bids but he bid after somebody else did. He messed up and is winning 2 of the auctions. I noticed also that he dropped his maximum bid amount later down the list so he wouldn't outbid the current high bidder again. I think I noticed 2 coin auctions with only one bidder. The rest have been bid on by this guy.
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Locked
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Could just be a loyal customer too. Imagine that. I have at least a dozen customers that only buy from me. A few of their bid histories would look ten times worse than this one. Quote:
I noticed also that he dropped his maximum bid amount later down the list so he wouldn't outbid the current high bidder again. Not sure what you mean there, there's no bid retractions in the last 6 months. I mean really, do you honestly think it's a big shill bidding scheme on $2 coins? |
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Valued Member
United States
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I dunno, it's just a little weird to keep bidding on small cents with no pictures... ?
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Locked
822 Posts |
Well, if your going to bid on items with no pictures, these would be it.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2520 Posts |
It's also a little weird that his first auction closed with this Seller 4 days after he signed up with ebay. |
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Locked
822 Posts |
Quote:It's also a little weird that his first auction closed with this Seller 4 days after he signed up with ebay. Uhhh no, that even makes more sense. You nervously sign up with ebay, find some low dollar items, and the first seller you buy from treats you great. So you keep going back. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2520 Posts |
Quote:Uhhh no, that even makes more sense. You nervously sign up with ebay, find some low dollar items, and the first seller you buy from treats you great. So you keep going back. Could it also be that this account was set up for Shill bidding? Yes indeed! I imagine that there are people out there that have favorite sellers out there and do alot of business with them. But it is possible that this is a Shill. Some people just don't want to admit that some Sellers on ebay do things that they shouldn't. |
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Moderator
 United States
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Quote:Uhhh no, that even makes more sense. You nervously sign up with ebay, find some low dollar items, and the first seller you buy from treats you great. So you keep going back. I'm kinda surprised at this, coming from you.  To my mind, there isn't even the remotest possibility that this is a real bidder. There's far too much synchronicity in their activities (buyer's actual ID is doubledeb2) for them to be unrelated. Buyer's only activity has been with this seller. Buyer is Seller's second-ever Feedback as a seller, and the first-ever was a Neutral. Um, duh. Yes, this is a perfect example of a shill. |
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
2150 Posts |
What also led me to believe that it was a shil bidder is that he won an auction on the eight then posted feedback the very next day that he had received the coin.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Who cares? The reality is there are people out there that will do anything for a buck. If you question someone's business practices you shouldn't be doing business with them.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1000 Posts |
I don't think it is a shill bidding scheme or else they are doing a very poor job of it.
If they were shilling, they would not want to win that many auctions from themselves, their goal would be to raise the price, not raise the amount of final value fees they have to pay.
Also they would not leave themselves feedback as it would leave to much of a paper trail and cause raised eyebrows like we are seeing in this thread.
If I were to guess I would think their goal is bigger then we see right now. They will build up there feedback with low value auctions, until they look like a power seller. Then they will list some Gold coins and a mercury 1916 D. People will buy thinking they are reputable and the seller will run with the money and not send the items.
Just my opinion.
Ken
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Ken, I think you hit the nail on the head.....
lets watch them for a while....
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2520 Posts |
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don't think it is a shill bidding scheme or else they are doing a very poor job of it. Maybe...but do we know how many auctions he bid on and intentionally lost? I disagree with your theory and still believe this is a Shill bidder. The Seller in question had many cheaper coins (with NO bids) that the Buyer (probable Shill) could have bid on which would support your theory. But the fact that the Buyer only bid on items After somebody else had bid on them supports the Shill theory. IMO. |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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you can report it and let ebay decide what it is. they can tell if the bids and auction are from the same I.P. address and if so then there is no doubt its a shill bidder. I myself think it is probably a shill but since I can't see what IP each member is coming from I can't be 100% sure but I will say I am about 99.9% leaning towards a shill |
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Posted 01/09/2010 8:51 pm
