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please understand, I'm not trying to be a "know-it-all" or trying to get you to sell me your dime, I have "enough" 65-s dimes, I'm just trying to help you avoid a possible problem if someone was to buy it and submit it for grading, and it comes back as an S mint.
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Well, I will at least look into it on heritage. Thankfully I bought it in a lot (go figure) so if it is really 65-S, I didn't get messed up too bad.
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Sadly it looks like you are right, honest mistake on my part as I bought the coin as an 1865. I did not see many imposter 1865's, though actually it appears ICG seemed to completely miss this distinction and slab one as an 1865. Clearly the buyers of that coin picked that up and did not bid as much, though some unaware people bid it up to an extent. I did however on many coins see a terribly weak mintmark, which makes sense why it would be nonexistent on this beat up, worn coin.
Awhile ago I paid about $250 or something for this and 14 other dimes in some kind of pseudo 'junk lot' (wouldnt call it junk though) but thankfully there were some other nice coins in the lot so they should cover it. Anyhow, I'll go take it down, but thanks for the tip because I will be sure to examine date position really carefully particularly on this series. I've just never heard of something like this happening at all. Whats my coin worth now though...$20 or something? As a filler for the 1865 spot. Lol.
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02/20/2010 1:33 pm
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yours isn't a filler, 1865 dimes with very weak mintmarks are five times as common as the ones with a clear distinct S. ditto for 1866 because the san fran mint re-used this exact same die again for 1866 and by then there was virtually no mintmark at all. many 1865 or 66 dimes that are offered as a P will 99% of the time actually be an S (and there are quite a few that are slabbed WRONG) if anyone is interested I will gladly tell you which TPG to stay FAR away from with Seated coins, you wont like it though, but that company simply DOES NOT know Seated coins. I will say I have NEVER seen a mistake in an ANACS holder. an 1866 (s) slabbed by PCGS as a P was sold on ebay a few months ago for something like 800$ a very typical case of "buy the coin not the slab" shadow, I didnt want to offer you anything for that dime until I could convince you that I wasnt trying to weasle you out of it, that is simply not the case, as I said, I was only trying to help you avoid a potentially ugly situation. but if you want to sell it as an S i'll give ya $40 for it. |
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while we are on the subject of seated coin education, I offer a little trivia, there is something odd about this 1888 dime, anyone see it ?  |
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this is a period counterfeit, the obverse was produced from an actual 1888 dime, but the reverse die was made from a Barber dime ! |
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I stared at that sucker for twenty minutes without seeing it.  |
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the chinese counterfeits have extended into the better date Seated coins, my particular area of interest is scarce date Seated dimes, and the chinese have been busy trying to satisfy the demand, but I have yet to see a fake produced that would fool anyone that takes the time to study the series. the chinese counterfeits offered currently of the 1866 and 1867 P dimes are produced using a Barber dime reverse model, and with a little practice, your eyes can be "trained" to spot the subtle differences in the Barber dime and Seated dime reverse dies. this is one quick and easy diagnostic for culling through the ebay fakes. even if artificially circulated, they still look "wrong" so upon seeing this 1888, the second thing I did was ask the seller if the pics were indeed correct, because the first thing I did was notice that it had a Barber dime reverse. Edited by seateddime48174
03/01/2010 01:33 am
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seateddime48174 wrote: Quote:
did you ever sell your 1865 dime Just to remind you, you need at least 50 posts before you can sell, trade or swap items on our Forum. 50 posts come quick so keep plugging away! |
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didnt realize that selling trading or swapping also involved offering to purchase, but if it does, then I apologize, I'm quite a way from 50 so maybe I will keep posting educationals about Seated coins. |
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Hemisboats, I'd call your half a VG-8. I agree that overall detail would warrant a VG-10 but the reverse rim is starting to disappear at the bottom. Full rims are a general requirement for VG in my experience so this weakness should hold the overall grade down. SeatedDime, please do post more factoids about Seated coinage! I'm a big fan and would appreciate sharing your expertise! For example, can you confirm that my 1877-CC dime is a Type 1 reverse? According to retail price guides the Type 1 of this date has a higher value.   |
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Jaobler is that slabbed? If you don't mind me askng what did you pay for it? Beautiful toning!  |
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jaobler, that is one NICE 77cc ! good news and bad news. first the bad, it is a type II. now the good, throw away your price guide. a coin that nice there isn't going to be any appreciable difference in price between a type I and a type 2. now the better news, it could just be the pic, but it looks like the date could be re-punched, especially the last 7 something is going on with the E in dime, and I am having a devil of a time matching yours up with any of the documented die pairs, here is the easiest pick up point for differentiating type I and type 2 reverses.  Edited by seateddime48174
03/01/2010 12:24 pm
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SeatedDime, I thought the spacing between the E in ONE and the wheat grains was a pick-up point, with Type 1 having a very close spacing as on my coin. It does appear to match some coins imaged on Heritage that were identified as Type 1. Thanks for the clarification!
This dime has a lot going on. The second 7 is repunched at the bottom. The E's in ONE and DIME are boldly repunched, with the DIME 'E' being more extreme. That same E has clashed onto the obverse die and you can see that E in the obverse field next to Miss Liberty's left elbow. The toning is an attractive plus.
Coins92, the coin is in an old NGC slab, graded MS-64. I paid about $440 for it in January, 2008 and was very happy with the deal. I agree, it's a beauty!
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